NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 5

Rapture_NRL wrote:

So that's 56 without tries, TAs, and LBs?

His tries TAs and LBs  were 2 points a week, and he had 7 points a game in negatives
Given his kicking stats would be 0 a week, he would have averaged about 50 points a game Maybe the odd try save to get him a few extra points

He likely played more minutes in super league than we would expect here

my tv broke wrote:I'm keen on Burns, but I can't see why I'd spend the money on him when Capewell is 100k cheaper and likely to average right on about 40 himself.*

*pending TLT obviously, but its looking likely the edge spot is his. The hammy strain is annoying though.

"Nearly one third of hamstring strains recur within the first year following return to sport with subsequent injuries often being more severe than the original."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095254617300522

This stat doesn't give me much confidence of going with either Capewell or Burns...

Just went through his last 5 games for Leeds. His mins were all over the place, one game 80, couple games around 60, one game 50, one game he subbed at 46 and didnt come back (maybe an injury, not sure) Interchange times didnt follow a pattern. Seems he played pretty big mins tho. To avg 108m and 33 tackles youre obviously on the field a fair bit

Chewie wrote:

"Nearly one third of hamstring strains recur within the first year following return to sport with subsequent injuries often being more severe than the original."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095254617300522

This stat doesn't give me much confidence of going with either Capewell or Burns...

Yeah he had his recurrence last season lol

Haven't trawled through last nights version of Haas vs No Haas (New game show?) but this either looks interesting as far as minutes are concerned or is just WB speaking in tongues again

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/souths-plot-positional-switches-for-dally-m-lock-cameron-murray-and-breakout-star-liam-knight/news-story/75437df5a91852b9f29a988444797a8e

If theres anything to it could have a knock on effect for a few of the Souths forwards we have been discussing at length

Aardvark wrote:Haven't trawled through last nights version of Haas vs No Haas (New game show?) but this either looks interesting as far as minutes are concerned or is just WB speaking in tongues again

Last nights Haas vs No Haas was put on hold to discuss this very topic

my tv broke wrote:

Last nights Haas vs No Haas was put on hold to discuss this very topic

I knew someone would beat me to it, but did it anyway

I might jump in my tardis and go back to last night

my tv broke wrote:Merrin's Super League stats are pretty reasonable..

Played 27 games
(avg per game in brackets)

902 tackles (33 tackles)
86 tbs (3.18 tbs)
2917 metres (108m)
60 offloads (2.2)

That's a pretty good base, there are obviously errors, missed tackles, and penalties that can pull that back a little. He scored 4 tries. 3 try assists, and made 3 line breaks, which goes a way to evening out the negatives.

It's obviously easier than NRL, but gun SL forwards who come over (Bateman, Whitehead, Surgess, Graham) do seem to transfer their scoring and real life play better than the backs. And it's not like Merrin is on a retirement tour, he should have a few years left in him yet.

Having said that about SL backs, I'm still interested in Ryan Hall. Priced at 31 with a 35 average for simply carting the ball back with zero line breaks or tries, and that's not going to continue at the Roosters. Think he's 10+ points underpriced and better value than Isaako. If he's in the Rnd1 team then he's probably in mine.

my tv broke wrote:Just went through his last 5 games for Leeds. His mins were all over the place, one game 80, couple games around 60, one game 50, one game he subbed at 46 and didnt come back (maybe an injury, not sure) Interchange times didnt follow a pattern. Seems he played pretty big mins tho. To avg 108m and 33 tackles youre obviously on the field a fair bit

I know Merrin played prop for a fair bit during the season, which meant lower minutes and attacking stats. He's definitely better at lock.

Souths are apparently trying to get Ese’Ese off Newcastle and rumours are we are offering them a player in return, I’d say that’d be a back.

rhinoceroo wrote:

Having said that about SL backs, I'm still interested in Ryan Hall. Priced at 31 with a 35 average for simply carting the ball back with zero line breaks or tries, and that's not going to continue at the Roosters. Think he's 10+ points underpriced and better value than Isaako. If he's in the Rnd1 team then he's probably in mine.

Would you say he's a better singer than Blake Ferguson? I don't really recall any Roosters wingers scoring well (40+) apart from him. I don't know a lot about Hall except for International footy.

Rapture_NRL wrote:

So that's 56 without tries, TAs, and LBs?

I would take 10 points off that due to the increased intensity/difficulty of the nrl compared to esl.

Milchcow wrote:

His tries TAs and LBs  were 2 points a week, and he had 7 points a game in negatives
Given his kicking stats would be 0 a week, he would have averaged about 50 points a game Maybe the odd try save to get him a few extra points

He likely played more minutes in super league than we would expect here

I gotta say, I honestly think his minutes in SL are fairly irrelevant (unless it indicated carrying an injury, or was pumping out 80 minute performances each week).
It seems like he was never happy at Leeds - so maybe just turning up and doing what he needed to do as a professional.
He didn't seem to have a happy time at Penrith either (especially with all the personal stuff going on).

At 30 yo, he's the same age as Fifita, Glasby, JBrom, Leeson Ah Mau, Taupau, Tariq Sims. Younger than Tolman, Tamou, JWH, Blair, James Graham. Unless there's underlying ongoing injury (e.g. Fifi?), then there's no real reason to see this as a retirement tour is there? - in which case I can't help but wonder if being back at the Dragons where he wants to be, could/should help to get him back to his best.
The whole of last year the Dragons looked like they desperately wanted to fill the gap left by JDB, and failed. I think there's a genuine chance he fills that 55-60 min role.
I don't have him in my team, but will definitely be keeping a close eye on the trials.

Rabbits need better forwards period. I think the lack of Surgess and Britt and the demise of Gurgess and Turgess is going to leave gaping hole in their go forward this season. Players like Murray and Cook only do well off the back of that go forward.

I really worry for Souths this year, along with Murray and Cook's scoring.

Rapture_NRL wrote:

Would you say he's a better singer than Blake Ferguson? I don't really recall any Roosters wingers scoring well (40+) apart from him. I don't know a lot about Hall except for International footy.

I think they would have been comparable a couple of years ago but Fergo is better now. But Hall's scored loads of tries at international level and usually takes three men over with him. If he's getting 200m just on kick returns and carting the ball up from dummy half can easily see a 40 average withoit even being the most prolific tryscorer.

Rapture_NRL wrote:

Yeah bro. He's my 2nd FRF atm. Keen to see how Merrin and Mikaele go though

Bro currently I have Knight as my 2nd frf and Mikaele is on my interchange.

Milchcow wrote:
If Knight starts at lock would it improve him that much?
He'd probably be an early sub for an edge forward to get Murray into lock, and then come back on in prop rotation.

I admit I'd still grab him, but there is a bit oc history of players moving to lock and seeing no real fantasy benefits (mostly Warriors players)

I’m sure he will get 50mins.

If Murray is gonna play 70-80mins will anyone consider him?

White Lightning wrote:

I would take 10 points off that due to the increased intensity/difficulty of the nrl compared to esl.

I dunno how much that matters. I get what you're saying, but a guy that is up to NRL standard, playing in the middle of the park, could make more tackles due to the speed of the game (more sets of six per game) and stronger defensive players around him (Dragons were shit last year but in McInnes, Vaughan, Graham, and Merrin, its a good strong middle, Flanagan shoudl actually have a positive impact on their defense..)

Rabbits21 wrote:If Murray is gonna play 70-80mins will anyone consider him?

If those minutes are predominantly as an edge player, then no.