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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:26 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    Well last year, with pretty much the same team as now he averaged just over 50 minutes.
    But if you split it up he averaged 38 minutes in the first 4 games, and 58 minutes after that until he got injured.

    Unfit to start the year maybe, or some other reason. Certainly not the worst pick. but with James Graham costing exactly the same,  I would be picking Graham before touching McGuire

    He averaged 38 in his first 4 games? I didn't know that. I see him playing more then because Gavet ad Dodds were out of the team because of injury and the only main prop on the bench was Thaiday. Then towards the end of the year Wallace started getting a decent a amount of mins he'll probably be the one who misses out then.
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    Post by Milchcow Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:27 pm


    If it wasn't for origin I'd be on Woods in a heartbeat.

    Might still get him, but tbh I don't think his minutes will increase that much. He already plays nearly 60 minutes a game and don't think he'll increase that too much. We are limiting the interchange by 2, not scrapping subs altogether. Props are still going to get a break.

    At the very least I don't think he'll lose money, so a solid investment in that sense
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    Post by Milchcow Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:29 pm

    Mighty Fishes wrote:

    He averaged 38 in his first 4 games? I didn't know that. I see him playing more then because Gavet ad Dodds were out of the team because of injury and the only main prop on the bench was Thaiday. Then towards the end of the year Wallace started getting a decent a amount of mins he'll probably be the one who misses out then.

    Well it was quite hot at the start of the year, especially in Brisbane, and I think there was a bit more rotation than usual. Also one of the games he only played 20 minutes and Thaiday played 60 from the bench. Might have been injury effected, or maybe he was just stinking it up that day.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:30 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    Well it was quite hot at the start of the year, especially in Brisbane, and I think there was a bit more rotation than usual. Also one of the games he only played 20 minutes and Thaiday played 60 from the bench. Might have been injury effected, or maybe he was just stinking it up that day.

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    Post by Honey Badger Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:31 pm

    Milchcow wrote:
    I think its time to get the crystal ball out and do some serious guesswork on Matt Parcell.

    Even if he grabs a starting spot, he'll be sharing time with Koroisau, and I can't see him getting massive minutes.

    Just looking at Moseley for comparison who was in a slightly similar position last year.

    Firstly when paired with Beau Falloon.
    They played together 6 times last year. Every single time Beau started but Moseley got more minutes. One of them was injury effected, but its still a pretty clear trend.

    When Falloon was paired with Chad Redman the starter got more time (3 games)

    When Moseley paired with Mortimer the starter got more every time (well once they swapped at half time for 40 minutes each, and once Elgey got injured so Mortimer played out the game in the halves)

    Anyway, the point being, predicting the hooking duties was a bit of a crapshoot.

    Manly have the advantage in that there are just 2 potential hookers, not the 4-5 that the Titans had. But assuming both are named, I just can't see either being value from the start. maybe after a few weeks when we see what sort of minutes/workload they are getting.
    Maybe an injury in the backs will see Koro go to 5/8th and Parcell get big game time, but otehrwise just can't really trust him to get gametime.

    If you think Koro will get 60 minutes plus at hooker, he's certainly worth considering. But really at this point I'm not sure I want to risk either. Hopefully trials are a bit more revealing.


    Too many question marks for my liking!
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    Post by Big Kev Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:37 pm

    Finger Puppet Mafia wrote:Had Packer as my 3rd FRF and having second thougts after the above comments. Whats another option around that price range that can possibly be used as a scoring player?

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    Post by rhinoceroo Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:50 pm

    Big Kev wrote:Woods & Graham seem to be the go.
    Gurgess only scored 1 try last year. Should do better this year?
    JWH could be a bolter - still injured though?

    Bromwich is the bolt-on & durable af. I think the only game he's ever missed was for the birth of his kid.

    Tamou scored well in the second half of last season. Not saying I'll be picking him, but he could be underpriced.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:06 pm

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    Tamou scored well in the second half of last season. Not saying I'll be picking him, but he could be underpriced.

    If he went to the Raiders I would have snapped him up in a heart beat!
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    Post by Bullbender Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:54 pm

    White Lightning wrote:So I'm looking through the centres & at 231k Hurrell seems too good to pass up.
    I think it was Milchy looking at Hurrell aswell, as am I. I know its still a while before the season starts but that latest photo of him looking lean with the hoff he is still wearing that forearm brace. That forearm gave him a fair bit of trouble previously IIRC. Hopefully some of kiwis on here can give us the heads up if he is still wearing it in the trials or we may see him in the 9s. Dont like players carrying niggling injurys at the start of the season when they have had the entire off season to get them. He hasnt had any surgery from what ive read? Its buyer beware for me either way
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    Post by Guest Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:01 am

    Bullbender wrote:
    I think it was Milchy looking at Hurrell aswell, as am I. I know its still a while before the season starts but that latest photo of him looking lean with the hoff he is still wearing that forearm brace. That forearm gave him a fair bit of trouble previously IIRC. Hopefully some of kiwis on here can give us the heads up if he is still wearing it in the trials or we may see him in the 9s. Dont like players carrying niggling injurys at the start of the season when they have had the entire off season to get them. He hasnt had any surgery from what ive read? Its buyer beware for me either way


    Its going to be hard fitting all those players into two spots. Hurrell, Ashford, Lolohea, Kata, Allwood, Fustitu'a.
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    Post by Finger Puppet Mafia Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:27 am

    If Merrin starts at prop for the Panthers, as most expect he will, there probably won't be a huge increase in his minutes played from his time at St George. AV 53 min per game. What minutes are we expecting mobile props like Merrin, Graham, McGuire to play in 2016?
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    Post by Welshy Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:16 am

    Mighty Fishes wrote:

    If he went to the Raiders I would have snapped him up in a heart beat!
    why? He would of had much more competition at the raiders? Vaughan, Boyd, Papalii? Only Scott and an old Hannant at the boys really
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    Post by No Worries Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:21 am

    Warriors wrote:First Draft for the year. Pick it to pieces.

    C Smith, M Parcell
    J Bromwich, J Graham, J Debelin, S Lousi
    C Parker, E Whitehead, R Rochow, J Tapine, J Edwards, M CheeKam
    DCE, Hastings, A Taylor, C Walker/Te Maire Martin
    J Croker, Auva'a, B Henry, Gutherson
    M Gordon, Ferguson, Holmes, L Mitchell, J Hawkins

    17k left. Gone more forward heavy than backs. Was also looking at T Merrin, J Lyon, J Mansour instead of some of the players I have.

    Who's Jennifer Hawkins playing for ?
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:26 am

    Looking to run with Woods, Graham and Fifita atm. Second row seems to suffer because of this but plenty of good mid range options floating around
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    Post by Milchcow Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:40 am


    With my spreadsheets, either you are all as blind as me, or very polite.

    But the average column in the breakdown tab doesn't work properly. All fixed up now latest version here

    https://www.mediafire.com/?g5v0m0sb7pv2x8z
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    Post by Warriors Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:00 am

    Random wrote:

    Pick it a part.. sure..

    HOK: There is much better value in the HOK position than Cam Smith. Sure Super Man Cam is a Fantasy god and would do wonders this year. However guys like Segeyaro/McCullough/Peats have potential to score as well if not better than them this year if they get 80 minutes and come in at a cheaper price. You also have Peats with some of the best Byes from a Fantasy perspective. Also as others have mentioned if Parcell ends up on the Bench and only manages to get 20 minutes and a 1PPM. Then it is very likely he doesn't rise in price too much and does nothing to help your team.

    FRF: Aaron Woods, Josh McGuire just two guys who are $30k-$40k cheaper then Bromwich and average 3 points less with more upside this year. McGuire returning to the Broncos will be massive and the bloke has a motor. Aaron Woods will be relied on heavier than last year as well. Not sure Jack de Belin will get the minutes everyone thinks he will. They have Frizell, Cooper, ah Mau, If Cooper remains in the Front Row then he should be a solid option, however Jack Trbojevic looks like a better option.

    2RF: Corey Parker is massively priced, last year he averaged 62.52 points a game. Sam Burgess, who is $67k cheaper than Corey Parker, who won't play Origin averaged 62.57 points in 2014. Much better value. Will Whitehead get much minutes with Fensom, Soliola and Papalii? In fact Soliola was averaging almost 80 minutes a game, Papalii averaged 71 minutes and Fensom avergaed 67 minutes. Lets also point out Fensom is the workhorse in the Canberra pack and he had the least amount of minutes. Still trust Sticky to give Whitehead enough time on the field?

    HLF: If Hastings/Taylor flop you could be in trouble and you have a dead position essentially if Rabbitohs/Panthers don't have an injury. Dead positions from the outset wont help your Team Value.

    CTR: Croker is great... every second week, he is just too inconsistent. With blokes like Brown ($70k Cheaper)/Lawrence ($100k Cheaper) starting in the second row which should make them more consistent. Lafai and Hurrell ($100k+  Cheaper) There just seems to much value to be made here to go with Croker, and they have Sezer ready to step in and kick goals if he shanks a few. 1/3 of your Rookie CTR's should kick on.

    WFB: Holmes is too much of a risk with the ever present Barba floating around there. Michael Gordon has always been an inconsistent scorer. Jeremy Hawkins and Latrell Mitchell.. Will they get game time or are they relying on injuries. Because we already spoke about how valuable dead positions from the beginning of the year are.

    On an actual note, if Parcell isn't starting I feel like he is too much of a risk. The rest of your team is solid, I actually stand by what I said regarding Croker and you should make sure your entire team is named on the first TLT if you can.

    HOK: Not sure whether there is better value out there than C Smith. Getting C Smith at start saves trades in a two player position. Don't see Peats or Macca doing any better than last year but will look to get Peats around Origin time. Maybe Segy but not confident on captaining Segy every week of the season and he will have some games where he doesn't score well. Does anyone know if P Wallace has played any hooker before? Cant see Segy getting 80 every week. M Parcell is best prospect for his price I believe. Even if he gets 30-35 minutes and gets an average of 30 I will be happy. Then can pick up Peats for Origin.

    FRF: Can't go wrong with Bromwich, hasn't missed a game in two years, no origin, good base stats with attacking potential. Graham undervalued, no origin. Woods has origin and despite being very good at start of year he tailed off bigtime probably due to origin. McGuire coming back from a big injury in a stacked forward pack. I prefer Bromwich and Graham. Don't have to trade. Also Jack DeBelin will fill the Merrin void. Big motor kind of like McGuire will play big mins and tackle all day. Dragons have Good byes.

    2RF: Not sure on big Samy to start, may struggle to average 55 at start but will look to bring him in around Origin time possibly. He played out of his skin for that 62 average and being a year out I reckon will take a bit to get back to that level. Would prefer get Parker from start, keep for season. Whitehead is a gun, good value in an attacking Canberra team with plenty of tries in them. Can see Papa/Soliola mins decreasing slightly possibly being in FRF rotation. Worth the gamble at that price. With Tariq out for 5 weeks reckon both Rochow/Tapine will get big mins to start then I can reassess after 6 weeks. Rochow may play close to 80 most of the year on the right. Edwards is cheap and may be starting lock. Don't care how many minutes he gets, Tigers will be doing lots of tackling. Chee Kam may get gametime.

    Halves: If Hastings/Taylor flop everyone will be in same boat. Am more inclined to go cheap here, can't afford two guns and the midrangers are a lottery. Would prefer to grab a fallen gun after 6/7 weeks than take a gamble on a midranger firing.

    CTR: Reckon Canberra will go well, easy draw, lots of kicking points for Croker plus tries. Not gonna risk Hurrell/Lafai at this stage. Would prefer gun/cashcows approach. Also Brown/Lawrence could easily end up on bench due to depth of
    2RF at their clubs or could be pushed to Centre during games to cover injury. Would rather not take that gamble.

    WFB: Tedesco/RTS would be ideal but can't afford. Inglis is lazy. Have gone three mid rangers I believe will improve. If there is a sniff of Barba in 17 will probably go Mansour instead of Holmes.

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    Post by hazza_99 Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:13 am

    Any1 reckon Copley could be good value, he's guaranteed a starting spot and only $171K, at brisbane he came off the bench a few times which hurt his scores and price, i reckon he could be value
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    Post by Beast From The Big East Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:34 am

    hazza_99 wrote:Any1 reckon Copley could be good value, he's guaranteed a starting spot and only $171K, at brisbane he came off the bench a few times which hurt his scores and price, i reckon he could be value

    Couldn't agree more. I've got two other centres in my team to start with but he will be one of my first changes if I need to find some coin
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    Post by Milchcow Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:34 am

    hazza_99 wrote:Any1 reckon Copley could be good value, he's guaranteed a starting spot and only $171K, at brisbane he came off the bench a few times which hurt his scores and price, i reckon he could be value

    Mentioned earlier in the thread.

    When playing centres at Brisbane he averaged around 27 points a game. It is value, but the question is whether its enough.

    Likely won't score high enough to be a good contributor to your team, and might not make enough money to be worth it as a cash cow. Would be better if he was priced a little lower.

    I am considering him at this point because it looks like he'll be DPP - but if a better rookie option turns up then he might get ditched.

    On the Roosters, what happens if Jennings goes to Parra and SKD gets done in his upcoming court case?
    Aubbo to centres or bring someone like Latrell Mitchell into team?
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    Post by hazza_99 Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:36 am

    Parcell A trap?

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