NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 11 - The case of the mistrusted team lists

What do people think of E Butcher ->Tohu?

I don't particularly want to sell Butcher as I think he will be good for 45-50s, but there's an argument that he's stalled any price rises now until after his bye. On the other hand I think there's a reasonable chance Tohu is about 8-10 points underpriced if he's back to his 2020/21 form.

Conflicted.

Mulvy wrote:

I'd like more of this.  Everyone is very very aware of your opinion on Cartwright.

What about Harris or Mahoney then?

Contrastinghobby wrote:
Do you have the average points/minutes of all starting 2rf in round one by chance?
At a guess 40? And 70mins? (Assuming injuries/substitutions)

This is from mtb's site



Average minutes 71, average score - 38.9

Remove Blore and Frizell who got injured, and its 40.7 points in 75.5 minutes

robelgordo wrote:I'm holding firm on no trades.

Can't join the Carty Party without wrecking my backline - would sell TMM but have to play all the other 250k players this week

Or something a bit sideways to restructure e.g Katoa/Cheese to Ford/Loiero/HTF as 1st trade, then Talau to Carty. But I just think the 8 extra trades are going to disappear very fast with additional byes and two extra rounds and HIA being looked at even more closely. Just want to be more disciplined this season.

Wavering slightly.

Katoa to Loiero (similar scores, 50k cheaper, more cash gen potential) then Talau to Carty (more cash gen and another legit scorer for upcoming byes) has become something I'd possibly consider.

The gap is how much are 2 trades saved worth vs cash/points on the other side. Legit don't know.

Milchcow wrote:

Leipana was the first combo name that seemed to really take off, when Joey Leilua and Jordan Rapana were tearing teams apart. Talakai+Mulitalo had one as well last year but I don't even remember what it was (Mulikai? Talatalo? they all sound a bit crap)

No name will ever annoy me more than Nrown

Bob Jane will forever be the dumbest, most contrived attempt at a nickname, but I’ll stop myself before I go of on one of my rare but fun rants

Milchcow wrote:
No name will ever annoy me more than Nrown

I know a few hate these which is why I made a low key attempt to get Nutcher and Eutcher happening pre R1.

Mulvy wrote:

I'd like more of this.  Everyone is very very aware of your opinion on Cartwright.

My other gun behind gun pick in round 1 was Terrell May. Just needs Robbo to decide he is ready and with a Roosters MID crisis he can bang out a 50+. Average of 60 in reserve grade, so obviously has the motor for decent minutes and the ability to score well.

Milchcow wrote:

This is from mtb's site


Average minutes 71, average score - 38.9

Remove Blore and Frizell who got injured, and its 40.7 points in 75.5 minutes

Does that mean almost all 2rf players play a full game then?
And should score well even if a cheap player?
Seems like a no brainer when you put it like that so no point worrying about their minutes
Seems a safe bet then
Thanks for sharing that

robelgordo wrote:

Milchcow wrote:
No name will ever annoy me more than Nrown

I know a few hate these which is why I made a low key attempt to get Nutcher and Eutcher happening pre R1.

Apologies to robelgordo fans, but I've just banned him for 3 months for putting that combination of letters onto the forum

robelgordo wrote:

I know a few hate these which is why I made a low key attempt to get Nutcher and Eutcher happening pre R1.

Yeah its a bit annoying that there is another Egan, would have been simple.

wolfking wrote:

What about Harris or Mahoney then?

Cows more important this time of year.

robelgordo wrote:

I know a few hate these which is why I made a low key attempt to get Nutcher and Eutcher happening pre R1.

How HopGod isn't standard yet baffles me

Contrastinghobby wrote:

Does that mean almost all 2rf players play a full game then?
And should score well even if a cheap player?
Seems like a no brainer when you put it like that so no point worrying about their minutes
Seems a safe bet then
Thanks for sharing that

There has been much discussion on here that with very few exceptions starting EDGs get 60+ minutes and do well at fantasy.

robelgordo wrote:

Wavering slightly.

Katoa to Loiero (similar scores, 50k cheaper, more cash gen potential) then Talau to Carty (more cash gen and another legit scorer for upcoming byes) has become something I'd possibly consider.

The gap is how much are 2 trades saved worth vs cash/points on the other side. Legit don't know.

Another way I'm thinking about this

2 extra trades
Vs
150k cash (and the additional opportunities that'll bring for more cash gen) and let's say 50 points

What is more valuable at say R20 on the home stretch?

Probably too hard to answer without making some heroic predictions about the future.

TL;DR fantasy is hard man

syn13 wrote:

Bob Jane will forever be the dumbest, most contrived attempt at a nickname, but I’ll stop myself before I go of on one of my rare but fun rants

Haha i remember the last one

It's very dumb. But that's what makes it great, no?

robelgordo wrote:

Wavering slightly.

Katoa to Loiero (similar scores, 50k cheaper, more cash gen potential) then Talau to Carty (more cash gen and another legit scorer for upcoming byes) has become something I'd possibly consider.

The gap is how much are 2 trades saved worth vs cash/points on the other side. Legit don't know.

Katoa to Loiero is as sideways as you can get, I had to read it twice as I was sure you must have been talking about the Dolphins HLF

Mulvy wrote:

Haha i remember the last one

It's very dumb.  But that's what makes it great,  no?

Thats entirely the point. And the fact it annoyed people made it stick around

mattnz wrote:

My other gun behind gun pick in round 1 was Terrell May. Just needs Robbo to decide he is ready and with a Roosters MID crisis he can bang out a 50+. Average of 60 in reserve grade, so obviously has the motor for decent minutes and the ability to score well.

Hope so. He looked pretty busy.

Contrastinghobby wrote:

Does that mean almost all 2rf players play a full game then?
And should score well even if a cheap player?
Seems like a no brainer when you put it like that so no point worrying about their minutes
Seems a safe bet then
Thanks for sharing that

If you think that player will continue to start, then they are a good bet. The issue is not their scoring as a starter, but their continued presence as a starter.

Cartwright, Chee Kam and Jackson Ford (plus the yet to play Murdoch Masila) all have other guys hanging around the squads that cast a little bit of doubt around their long term job security

Some of these will no doubt turn out to be worthwhile fantasy buys, at least in the medium term. Some will be wastes and might need to be traded out quickly.

Chee Kam appears to have risk. He might continue to start over Jacob Host or might not. He started over Jai Arrow in round 1, but if Arrow didn't get injured would that continue to happen?
I am certainly tempted by Chee Kam. But I already own Carty and not sure I want the double risk. I'll probably decide around 8pm tonight just after first game lockout

mattnz wrote:

Katoa to Loiero is as sideways as you can get, I had to read it twice as I was sure you must have been talking about the Dolphins HLF

I thought everyone was making sideways and occasionally backwards moves to restructure their teams this week?

If I rephrase as Katoa/Talau to Loiero/Carty as a package deal is it still sideways