2016 Brisbane Broncos Resurrection Thread

Bren wrote:
Welshys lasts one week (this coming week) No worries is after origin, so both.

I thought you had one with Welshy for Origin as well. Swore you jumped in with it. My bad.

Dip wrote:Wait, are people genuinely saying that signing the reserve half in a team that is on the fringe of the 8 and was in his mid 20's when he made his debut a couple of months ago then got dropped is some sort of huge salary cap strain? You're taking the piss aren't you? Especially if it is at the expense of a 22 year old current NZ international.

Oz Sport Mad wrote:
Whilst at the same time conveniently ignoring the fact a little over a years ago most of the blokes were no names or unwanted has been's signed on a pittance.....before Bennett took them to a GF and we suddenly had a team which looked good on paper.

People need to take into account this isn't Supercoach and the blokes salaries aren't based on 3 round rolling averages (although some of the shitter teams should be looking into this).

I imagine we'd be well and truly under the cap even without letting anyone go

I'm not weighing in either way here as I'm a biased bitter fuck, but so I'm understanding is Nikorima an international rep you are letting go and freeing up a ton of cash or someone signed on a pittance and thus freeing up 0 cash or does it depend on whether he is staying or leaving? You guys appear to be agreeing with each other but saying completely contradictory things

Honeysett wrote:

I thought you had one with Welshy for Origin as well. Swore you jumped in with it. My bad.

Oh the Frizell one! Haha yeah you are right, sorry. I figure I can run with a split like I am now. Half Frizell in NSW jersey half NSW Blues logo. 2 for the price of 1.

Dip wrote:Wait, are people genuinely saying that signing the reserve half in a team that is on the fringe of the 8 and was in his mid 20's when he made his debut a couple of months ago then got dropped is some sort of huge salary cap strain? You're taking the piss aren't you? Especially if it is at the expense of a 22 year old current NZ international.

Can't believe I'm defending the Bronco's cap situation but I'd rather Niko than Walker.

Krump wrote:
Can't believe I'm defending the Bronco's cap situation but I'd rather Niko than Walker.

Me too. He'll also be more expensive though, and while I don't think Niko is ever going to be one of the best players in the NRL, I also don't think Cody Walker is going to be much more than a minimum salary player either. He's done a handy job in a few games he's been asked to fill in for their regular halves, and performed better than most rookies would, but thats probably due to the experience of playing several years of second tier football rather than stepping up from 3rd tier Holden Cup. I don't see him being much better than say Liam Foran, Isaac John, Jack Littlejohn or Michael Oldfield in that regard.

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Whilst at the same time conveniently ignoring the fact a little over a years ago most of the blokes were no names or unwanted has been's signed on a pittance.....before Bennett took them to a GF and we suddenly had a team which looked good on paper.

People need to take into account this isn't Supercoach and the blokes salaries aren't based on 3 round rolling averages (although some of the shitter teams should be looking into this).

I imagine we'd be well and truly under the cap even without letting anyone go

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Dip wrote:

Me too. He'll also be more expensive though, and while I don't think Niko is ever going to be one of the best players in the NRL, I also don't think Cody Walker is going to be much more than a minimum salary player either. He's done a handy job in a few games he's been asked to fill in for their regular halves, and performed better than most rookies would, but thats probably due to the experience of playing several years of second tier football rather than stepping up from 3rd tier Holden Cup. I don't see him being much better than say Liam Foran, Isaac John, Jack Littlejohn or Michael Oldfield in that regard.

In the half a dozen games he has played, he has been head and shoulders above those blokes. The only one who is about even, is Issac John.

I agree though, he would be on not much more than minimum wage - prob direct replacement for nikorema's current deal.

Walker is also one of the best rookie halves in the game who would be a starting 6 at half a dozen clubs in the league. It doesnt matter tho, they will prob just sign him with third party money and will free up 150k in cap space.

Bren wrote:
Oh the Frizell one! Haha yeah you are right, sorry. I figure I can run with a split like I am now. Half Frizell in NSW jersey half NSW Blues logo. 2 for the price of 1.

Friz in a Tiger's jersey will do

Pieman wrote:

In the half a dozen games he has played, he has been head and shoulders above those blokes. The only one who is about even, is Issac John.

I agree though, he would be on not much more than minimum wage - prob direct replacement for nikorema's current deal.

Walker is also one of the best rookie halves in the game who would be a starting 6 at half a dozen clubs in the league. It doesnt matter tho, they will prob just sign him with third party money and will free up 150k in cap space.

Yeah sure Walker has looked good, but so did guys like Tim Smith, Chris Sandow, Daniel Mortimer and Denan Kemp. There is a reason why he hasn't played first grade in the first 25 years of his life. Maybe he's a late bloomer, but maybe he's in career form, a purple patch by his standards, and this is as good as it will ever get for him.

I'd be surprised if Niko is on more than $150K of cap space, though he'd be due an upgrade. Since Walker is 26, you'd think he'd be pretty close to minimum wage of $80K, so at a stretch you'd think we'd save $50K from the cap, maybe a little more at a stretch (compared to what we are paying Niko now, not what we might have to offer him, which you'd think would be maybe $200K+).

Walker looks busy and can add a bit of a spark. Without knowing who we have coming through, you'd think he'd be able to play the role Niko does pretty well. I'd prefer Niko, but if it will cost significantly more, and keeping him means we lose someone like Kahu, then I wouldn't mind letting him go.

Yeah I understand all that.

I know they are just following the rules (loosely) but why should a team that pays so much of its players wages with TPA's be allowed to save money on the cap by signing someone cheaper than the bloke they let go.

As I said in the other thread, I would like it if a teams Cap had to be used up entirely before they were allowed to pay their players TPAs.
Its just so unfair that a select few teams in the comp have such great access to TPA's and some dont.

It'd probably end up in court but players should have to go to the team that offers the most on the cap. If you did that and have tpa's managed the NRL there'd be no more issues. There'll obviously be a million holes poked in this but it's somewhere to start

Welcome to my world Broncos fans. Sucks when you field a team that would be salary cap compliant. Tough loss last night against the Tigers without their three best players.

Ice wrote:Welcome to my world Broncos fans. Sucks when you field a team that would be salary cap compliant. Tough loss last night against the Tigers without their three best players.

Learn to count you cheating scumbag. Broncos were without 6 rep players, twice what the Tigers had out.

Your Name wrote:

Friz in a Tiger's jersey will do

Make it up and Ill run with it. For real.

I didn't cheat, so don't get your knickers in a knot and no need to be personally attack me, that petty shit was left back in the sportal forum.

My point was, with numerous rep quality players still in the team for the Broncos, it seemed much closer to a salary cap compliant team. That isn't to suggest they aren't compliant, it's not their fault that their access to fantastic TPAs allow them to spend way more on their playing roster than others, that's just a fault of the system that Broncos are smart enough to take advantage of.  The Tigers aren't so luck, so them without their three best players sees them field a far weaker team on paper than the a broncos did last night even if the Broncos did have 6 rep players out. I mean they still had their first choice 6,7 and 9 and the NZ fullback in the starting team, plus the NZ five eight on the bench plus an english rep and a couple of Kiwi forwards. If you put those guys in any other team people would be questioning their cap position.

Seriously, if you are suggesting the Tigers line up on paper was even close to the lineup the Broncos put out, you're kidding yourself.

Oh so we are still classifying Jack Reed as a rep player? That will do me. Chris Lawrence is also an Aus rep then.

Also all I am doing is pointing out how much EXPERIENCE the Broncos were missing last night. Were they not missing something like 800+ games of NRL experience last night? Take that amount of experience out of ANY side and see what happens.

Bren wrote:Also all I am doing is pointing out how much EXPERIENCE the Broncos were missing last night. Were they not missing something like 800+ games of NRL experience last night? Take that amount of experience out of ANY side and see what happens.

Most other sides can't buy that much experience in the first place


Edit. I'm at work so don't have time to check but I wouldn't be surprised if that broncos team still had more nrl experience than the tigers.

Bren wrote:Also all I am doing is pointing out how much EXPERIENCE the Broncos were missing last night. Were they not missing something like 800+ games of NRL experience last night? Take that amount of experience out of ANY side and see what happens.

Yet you have a go at the Knights who are playing something like 8 guys who could still play in the 20s.

Broncos choked and you know it. A missed two points, you were talking up how they would absolutely towel up the Tigers. Got to wear it when you lose mate. I thought they'd belt them as well but the young guys for the Tigers stepped up big time.

Just did the math lads. We were missing 1,151 games of NRL experience last night. The Tigers were only missing 415 games worth of experience.