2016 Brisbane Broncos Resurrection Thread

surmo13 wrote:i have some time to kill before E3 press conferences, so lets math it out (as much as can be mathed when i'm guessing at salaries) -

this link from NRL.com - Understanding mid-season player moves - suggests players are payed monthly starting from November, now if we include all of June, our players have been payed 8 months of their contracts or 66.6r%.

Let's say the bottom of our top 25 has a few min. wagers kicking around... minimum wage is $82,500, our players have yet to earn approximately 33% of their salary, which is around $27,225 for our hypothetical minimum wagers...

Now, Segeyaro signed his latest contract extension in 2013, when he was still a utility & for another season after signing aswell, lets say his current contract is running 400k per season, so covering the 33% of pay left on his current contract that he would play for us, works out to $132,000.

So now i'll work with transfers that have definitely been made, before i start throwing around hypothetical transfers. We know Timu & Grienke have been moved on, and we know Pangai has come into the squad -

Let's start with Timu - highly rated before his mormon mission and we had to fight off interest from union to sign him up in the first place, so lets say 175k, we let him go at the start of April, so he spent 5 months with us, so 41% of his contract, which would would mean we freed up 59% or $103,500, of course we would then have to pay a minimum wager 59%, or $48,675, to replace him, so that's a saving of around $55,000

Now Grienke - long time U-20's captain who jumped straight into captaincy at Norths in the ISC, so we'll say 125k, left in May, so played half his contract... we save $62,500 but pay a min. wager to take his place at $41,750, so around $20,000 savings

Pangai - highly rated U-20's player, with junior kangaroo honours, lets place him at 150k, now i know some of you are about to throw a shit-fit at that number and shout 'bias' from the rooftops, but i think i have enough information to place it as such - A) he started out his Broncos life in the U-20's which has a salary cap of $350,000, which if we were paying out the arse for him would simply not be possible & B) the reigning u-20's player of the year, Ash Taylor, is on under 200k at the Titans (Gold Coast rookie Ash Taylor proving a steal for the Titans) & that's for a highly rated kid in one of the most important positions on the field. So Pangai joined us starting from March, so we're paying 66% of his contract, or 100k, he takes the place of a min wager who'd we'd be paying $55,000, so adds 45k to the cap.

So by my calculations, that's $30,000 to play with (also keep in mind that we supposedly saved even more near the start of the contract year because we were going to pay Copley more than we ended up paying Roberts)

in my hypothetical, we let Eden go - we brought him halfway round the world with the "English Billy Slater" tag (however undeserved), so i'm gunna call it 175k, we'd be saving 33% of his cap, so $57,750 - minus the min wager that would replace him, so around 30k.

we take that 60k+ & the extra $27,775 we can pay to replace our min wager, and go "hey Panthers, we can take him off your hands, all you gotta do is pay the difference between what we have and the $132k you'd be paying him to play reserve grade", bingo bango, we have Seggy for this year, then we have 4 months to worry about how we'll work in a full, upgraded contract moving forward.

surmo13 wrote:i have some time to kill before E3 press conferences, so lets math it out (as much as can be mathed when i'm guessing at salaries) -

this link from NRL.com - Understanding mid-season player moves - suggests players are payed monthly starting from November, now if we include all of June, our players have been payed 8 months of their contracts or 66.6r%.

Let's say the bottom of our top 25 has a few min. wagers kicking around... minimum wage is $82,500, our players have yet to earn approximately 33% of their salary, which is around $27,225 for our hypothetical minimum wagers...

Now, Segeyaro signed his latest contract extension in 2013, when he was still a utility & for another season after signing aswell, lets say his current contract is running 400k per season, so covering the 33% of pay left on his current contract that he would play for us, works out to $132,000.

So now i'll work with transfers that have definitely been made, before i start throwing around hypothetical transfers. We know Timu & Grienke have been moved on, and we know Pangai has come into the squad -

Let's start with Timu - highly rated before his mormon mission and we had to fight off interest from union to sign him up in the first place, so lets say 175k, we let him go at the start of April, so he spent 5 months with us, so 41% of his contract, which would would mean we freed up 59% or $103,500, of course we would then have to pay a minimum wager 59%, or $48,675, to replace him, so that's a saving of around $55,000

Now Grienke - long time U-20's captain who jumped straight into captaincy at Norths in the ISC, so we'll say 125k, left in May, so played half his contract... we save $62,500 but pay a min. wager to take his place at $41,750, so around $20,000 savings

Pangai - highly rated U-20's player, with junior kangaroo honours, lets place him at 150k, now i know some of you are about to throw a shit-fit at that number and shout 'bias' from the rooftops, but i think i have enough information to place it as such - A) he started out his Broncos life in the U-20's which has a salary cap of $350,000, which if we were paying out the arse for him would simply not be possible & B) the reigning u-20's player of the year, Ash Taylor, is on under 200k at the Titans (Gold Coast rookie Ash Taylor proving a steal for the Titans) & that's for a highly rated kid in one of the most important positions on the field. So Pangai joined us starting from March, so we're paying 66% of his contract, or 100k, he takes the place of a min wager who'd we'd be paying $55,000, so adds 45k to the cap.

So by my calculations, that's $30,000 to play with (also keep in mind that we supposedly saved even more near the start of the contract year because we were going to pay Copley more than we ended up paying Roberts)

in my hypothetical, we let Eden go - we brought him halfway round the world with the "English Billy Slater" tag (however undeserved), so i'm gunna call it 175k, we'd be saving 33% of his cap, so $57,750 - minus the min wager that would replace him, so around 30k.

we take that 60k+ & the extra $27,775 we can pay to replace our min wager, and go "hey Panthers, we can take him off your hands, all you gotta do is pay the difference between what we have and the $132k you'd be paying him to play reserve grade", bingo bango, we have Seggy for this year, then we have 4 months to worry about how we'll work in a full, upgraded contract moving forward.

Pieman wrote:

All I know is that stockpiling talent without losing anyone of note is 1. unfair to the rest of the league and 2. reeks of dodgyness or abusing some loophole.

Pieman wrote:Is it unreasonable to say that there would be a at least a million spent on just Hunt and Milford. Prob more like 1.2 or something like that?

ryno_ wrote:

Zero tackle reckons 400 for Hunt and 450 for Milf.

Mr Fernando wrote:Segeyaro has done a pretty good job of harming his earning potential with his injuries, performance and off field issues.  Then throw in the fact Penrith would pay a chuck of his salary and Brisbane should be able to fit him in and still land GI next season IMO

Pieman wrote:

Interesting.
Considering it was reported that Milf was offered around 800k from the raiders to stay, thats quite the pay cut.
Also, considering that Brooks and Moses both wanted 600+ and Luke Keary wanted 800k at the start of the year - its quite a low figure.

ryno_ wrote:

Keary is kidding himself at 800k. If thats what he wants, he may aswell start taking French lessons.

Pieman wrote:

I disagree MF.

He has had a few injuries this year and a fallout with the coach which has lead to him being dropped. His style of play and performances have been great and hes only 25 or something. What off field issues has he had mate?
He is most certainly a top notch pick up for any team and would be paid very, very well by anyone who picks him up. Sure, maybe not if he is a half a year mid year signing - but anything after that he is looking at around 500k if not more IMO.

Bren wrote:Plus McGuire and Thaiday signed unders to stay also.

Dip wrote:Maybe we could just cut a minimum salary player and give Seg a minimum salary and then his manager can try to line up TPA's that would take his income to a point he is comfortable with. All without the input of the Brisbane Broncos of course.

Isn't Nikorima being chased pretty heavily by the Storm for 2017? I think Segeyaro is better than Niko, but I'd assume they'd be competing for the same spot once McCullough is back. Perhaps if the Storm have some cap space free they'd be prepared to take Niko mid year. Even though I think Seg is worth more than Niko, then given he's playing reserve grade, he might be prepared to play for the same amount because otherwise his value drops when negotiating for 2017 if he is stuck in Reggies at Penrith.

I agree with Mr Fernando though. I can't see it happening mid season, and to be honest that article doesn't really say anything to indicate we would.

Pieman wrote:

Yeah but how much is unders?
Like... for example - if Mcguire got an offer from the titans that was 650k but chose to stay in brissy for 500 or 600... Sure thats unders but its still a fair chunk of money.

Pieman wrote:

In a perfect world hey

I too dont think it will happen, its just a beat up.
I cant see Segy going there to go back to being the bench hooker - the only way it would happen is if Mccullough is let go.
I could see it happening for half a season - but he wouldnt be re-signed for further than that.

Everyone knows what a quality player he is - and with the interchange supposedly dropping even more in the next few years, players like him become more and more valuable.
I would be 100% confident with him starting even for anyone next weekend, playing 80, and being brilliant whilst doing so. He is one of the best hookers in the comp. He is just injury prone.

Dip wrote:

Everyone signs for unders at Brisbane, especially now we're winning regularly for the last couple of seasons. Even if the club isn't involved in TPA's as many allege, there is no doubt they exist in abundance compared to other clubs, and managers are smart enough to know that comes with signing with the Broncos. I mean, for example, didn't Ben Teo have a weekly regular gig on one of the biggest radio stations in Brisbane? I like Ben Teo, but it certainly wasn't his media skills that would have got him that gig, more that companies want to be associated with the Broncos for commercial reasons in the SEQ market. I'm guessing someone like say Trent Merrin or Josh Jackson doesn't have similar media contracts in NSW. I'd guess there's probably only half a dozen or so players who get regular media gigs in the Sydney market, and apart from Ennis who is clearly carving out a media career, then I'd expect only the top rung of players (or former top rung like Benji) are getting those gigs, not a hard running second rower.

Pieman wrote:

Well I dont know about everyone but players claim to. The thing is, their value is higher because they play in a successful team and they make rep teams. So what is unders?
Is unders playing for 400k when they were offered 500k from another club?
Is it playing for 700k when they were offered 800k from another club?
Just because it's 'unders' does not mean its still a large chunk of money.
Is it just unders from the salary cap side of things?
"We can pay you 250k from the cap, but another 250k from TPA?"
Is it "we know you are worth 600k but if you want to be at a successful club and play under Wayne and have world class facilities and if you want to be on FTA every weekend - you will have to play for half of that"?
In reality is prob a mixture of all those things.

Yeah exactly, you make some good points. In Brissy, companies want to be involved with the bronco's so they take what they can get. In Sydney, there are so many teams that it just gets watered down so much.

There needs to be a second Brisbane team.