HomeIf you look at it, Myles is holding on to Cordner's collar.Dip wrote:
But not including a chicken wing that puts a guy out for 3-4 weeks.
If the bloke lets go it doesnt happen.
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If the bloke lets go it doesnt happen.
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Pieman wrote:
If you look at it, Myles is holding on to Cordner's collar.
If the bloke lets go it doesnt happen.
Sorry what? Holding his shirt or not there is only one thing Cordner is doing.
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myles is holding the collar the entire time. if he lets go at the start his arm doesnt end up in that position
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He let's go and the same result happens. Cordner isn't doing anything other than bending his arm where it shouldn't go. Plus an attacker is allowed to hold a defender until held. It's the defenders obligation to tackle safely.
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Kevvie was hoping he'd broken the lowlife grub's arm and saved him the trouble of dropping the useless khunt for SOO2 
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Dip wrote:He let's go and the same result happens. Cordner isn't doing anything other than bending his arm where it shouldn't go. Plus an attacker is allowed to hold a defender until held. It's the defenders obligation to tackle safely.
Really ? That sounds like something Andrew Gee said. I'm keen for you to find somewhere in the laws of the game where it references the attacking player restraining the defending player legally.
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From the official rules:No Worries wrote:
Really ? That sounds like something Andrew Gee said. I'm keen for you to find somewhere in the laws of the game where it references the attacking player restraining the defending player legally.
Definition of obstruction (page 6): is the illegal act of impeding an opponent who doesn't have the ball.
Rule 15 (1) (j) (page 38) : a player is guilty of misconduct if he deliberately obstructs an opponent who is not in possession.
Notes to rule 15 (page 40): Player in possession cannot obstruct - the player who is in possession of the ball cannot be guilty of obstruction.
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Pieman wrote:
He has to take some duty of care to not hit pearce in the head. He didnt do that. He intended to tackle him, and hit him in the head with his shoulder. Its a high tackle, nothing incidental about it what so ever. He has the opportunity to get lower and hit him properly, he didnt, so he deserves the suspension - or what ever punishments they dish out these days
Your point is wrong - its not an incidental collision. Its a tackle that is high and careless, reckless, all that stuff.
Head clashes are incidental.
Impactful Shoulders to the head in the process of making a tackle (i.e. a high tackle) are not incidental.
If you cant get through your head, which you clearly have never been able to and never will be able to - you are an absolute lost cause.
Rubbish - do you even know what incidental means?
How can you suggest he intentionally had time to adjust midway through shutting in and hit the bloke in the head?
And it wasn't even careless or reckless, it was a textbook shut in.
Would you prefer they carefully edge their way towards the attackers or just let them run through them in case they hurt them because apparently they have some sort of duty of care.....which they don't actually.
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ryno_ wrote:Gagai was unreal, I worry that the general consensus of moving him to the centres for ONiell might fuck him his game.
Hayne wasn't nearly as good as some (mainly Ice) are making out. Had 1 good offload to Morris and scored a try you'd expect any rep level centre to score. Apart from that, was the weak spot in the NSW defensive line.
Please pick Pearce again. Kicking game was woeful.
Fifi was immense, the kind of big game performance a prop should be remembered for. Best prop out of Cronulla in living memory, bar none.
QLD were the better team for most of the game, right up until that short drop out at about 50min but couldnt convert superior overall play to points like NSW could when they were on top. Mix of poor execution on breaks and just not getting a good grubber bounce at times.
QLD middle third line speed was atrocious. Send Myles out to the stable Buck lives in and put him out of his misery.
Napa was great - looked to be the type of player to stick in that jersey for a decade.
Peats played really well, surprised at the amount of involvement he had.
I'm not saying Hayne was spectacular, but he owned his opponent. Re his try, most semi decent defensive sides would have stopped it easy, he put the hammer down and went through untouched. Watch Cooper Cronk go ballistic when he goes in and the 4 defenders standing watching. I agree his weakness is his defense in that position, but he can only improve over the next few weeeks if the Titans stay with him there, and what he brings to the table in attack outweighs the defensive problem, please move Gagai to centre and watch Hayne obliterate him.
Pearce's kicking game was fine, not awesome but no problem. They had a clear plan to kick to what Qld believe is their strength, Oates, and they pinned him in the back corner time and again.
Qld better team for most of the game, righteo!
I think Qld can make a few simple changes that should see them win game 2, no question. They should have comfortably won game one with Smith, Cronk and Boyd, plus the rest of their loyal band of players, but were found wanting, I can't see that happening two games in a row.
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Pieman wrote:
He wasnt a tad lazy he went for a fucking intercept.
After nearly setting up a try his intercept attempt lead to the Oates try.
Thats the thing with hayne tho. Its all or nothing. Amazing or shite.
For the most part last night he was pretty good. Did some hard work. Did something amazing. Did something shite. Looked like a goose after he scored. All textbook hayne. And for some reason I love it.
Now QLD have a video of him playing right centre, that Thurston will study and use to exploit him.
Going for an intercept IS lazy. But we still should have stopped the try at the other end, in fact, his teammates should have scored at the their end so he didn't ever try for the intercept.
Qld have video of him playing left centre, as does NSW, if Daley is concerned with it, maybe he will watch the tape and have a chat with Hayne about what he wants him to work on. Yep, maybe they will try and exploit him, maybe they will have success, but I'd take him there over any other fit player in the world right now.
This myth that if he isn't great he is shite is just that, absolute shite. Anyone would think a centre has never been caught out before.
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By your idiotic definition, any high tackle is just "incidental" contact contact with the head.Oz Sport Mad wrote:
Rubbish - do you even know what incidental means?
How can you suggest he intentionally had time to adjust midway through shutting in and hit the bloke in the head?
And it wasn't even careless or reckless, it was a textbook shut in.
Would you prefer they carefully edge their way towards the attackers or just let them run through them in case they hurt them because apparently they have some sort of duty of care.....which they don't actually.
He had plenty of time to get low and tackle him properly. He didnt do it though, he steamed in and hit Pearce high. It was a high fucking tackle. It was poor technique, and it was a high shot. Pretty fucking simple. You, and what happened.
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Going for an intercept IS lazy. But we still should have stopped the try at the other end, in fact, his teammates should have scored at the their end so he didn't ever try for the intercept.
Qld have video of him playing left centre, as does NSW, if Daley is concerned with it, maybe he will watch the tape and have a chat with Hayne about what he wants him to work on. Yep, maybe they will try and exploit him, maybe they will have success, but I'd take him there over any other fit player in the world right now.
This myth that if he isn't great he is shite is just that, absolute shite. Anyone would think a centre has never been caught out before.
There is a difference between being caught out of position/making a bad read and going for an intercept, and being lazy. It was a bad read and he went for an intercept and it lead to a try to the other side.
He went for the all or nothing play, which is classic hayne. Most of the time for him tho it comes off. I love watching hayne play and am stoked he is back in the NRL and SOO. He is very much an all or nothing kind of player - which is great IMO. I by no means and saying get rid of him, very much the opposite, he needs to be there. He should also be in the australian team at centre at the end of the year too.
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Dip wrote:He let's go and the same result happens. Cordner isn't doing anything other than bending his arm where it shouldn't go. Plus an attacker is allowed to hold a defender until held. It's the defenders obligation to tackle safely.
He might be allowed to hold on, but if he lets go earlier he arm doesnt end up in that position.
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Pieman wrote:
He might be allowed to hold on, but if he lets go earlier he arm doesnt end up in that position.
It is the defenders responsibility to effect a safe tackle. Amazing that you seem to argue this With OSM, then the complete oppposite 1 minute later. You sound like people who say McLean shouldn't have been suspended as McKnninon ducked his head.
Besides, the only part of Myles Cordner is tackling is his left arm. Exactly the same thing would have happened if Myles wasn't hanging on it was a bad look, and should have been penalised and charged.
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Pieman, to be consistent surely you must be saying that if Pearce didn't crouch he wouldn't of got head high.
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Dip wrote:
From the official rules:
Definition of obstruction (page 6): is the illegal act of impeding an opponent who doesn't have the ball.
Rule 15 (1) (j) (page 38) : a player is guilty of misconduct if he deliberately obstructs an opponent who is not in possession.
Notes to rule 15 (page 40): Player in possession cannot obstruct - the player who is in possession of the ball cannot be guilty of obstruction.
So as that the obstruction of his own arm was a result of his action there is no obstruction ?
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ryno_ wrote:
Blues tries came from well outside the 20m line. At the half, Oates had caught a kick at the end of all but 2 NSW sets, so there can't have been many ends to the set deep in Maroon territory. QLD on the other hand enough time in the NSW 20 that they would have expected to score more then once. NSW had more run metres but they were consistently starting sets from further back.
On a number of Occassion Pearce went high or chipped to Oates and had him caught inside the 20, on one occasion crunching Oates himself following a kick and ensuring NSW started there next set on their attacking 25 after a Cronk clearing kick barely reached halfway.
From the kick off Qld had the better field position as you'd expect, allowing Cronk to put in an attacking kick, and Pearce's first kick had Qld starting at around 30m. Again, early in the game Qld had better field position on the back of a penalty, but bombed a try and the next set NSW scored.
Sets there after generally started from similar areas but Qld kicked for touch more as they were getting hammered in the middle where NSW stuck to a plan generally of kicking to Oates and tackling him inside the 20.
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leaguegod wrote:9 went overboard using during the game, but some of those GPS stats were pretty damn fascinating after the game
Were are these tracker stats for the game. Anyone got a link to them online?
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Pieman wrote:
There is a difference between being caught out of position/making a bad read and going for an intercept, and being lazy. It was a bad read and he went for an intercept and it lead to a try to the other side.
He went for the all or nothing play, which is classic hayne. Most of the time for him tho it comes off. I love watching hayne play and am stoked he is back in the NRL and SOO. He is very much an all or nothing kind of player - which is great IMO. I by no means and saying get rid of him, very much the opposite, he needs to be there. He should also be in the australian team at centre at the end of the year too.
All or Nothing!! Again, that is just bull crap. It's as I feel no other centre has ever gone for an intercept or had a bad read. When Hayne does it it's all or nothing and typical Hayne, it's just garbage. We should have scored, that is what led to Qld scoring, Ferguson should have caught the ball, it's wasn't that spectacular a kick or catch, I'm confident if Hayne was where Ferguson was, he wouldn't have shut that down. But no, it's Haynes contribution that is the only thing that led to the try.
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Dip wrote:
It is the defenders responsibility to effect a safe tackle. Amazing that you seem to argue this With OSM, then the complete oppposite 1 minute later. You sound like people who say McLean shouldn't have been suspended as McKnninon ducked his head.
Besides, the only part of Myles Cordner is tackling is his left arm. Exactly the same thing would have happened if Myles wasn't hanging on it was a bad look, and should have been penalised and charged.
Totally different to someone charging in with a high shot.
The defender sure, has a duty of care over the opponent, but fuck, if the guy is holding on to the jersey getting himself in a bad position - should the defender get off him? Im not saying it wasnt a chicken wing, or he shouldnt have been charged etc. He clearly should have, but if myles doesnt hold on to the collar like that, he doesnt get his arm in that position.
Totally different to Mckinnon ducking his head, he was doing that to protect himself with 3 blokes or what ever driving him into the ground.
Is myles protecting himself by holding on? Possibly, pretty strange way to do it tho.