State of Origin 2017 Series

Dip wrote:

Yeah that's a pretty good description. Back in the day there were plenty of ball playing backrowers which is why I describe it as such, but that seems to have dropped off a fair bit the last decade or so. The role you speak of is probably pretty similar to what Bryce Cartwright does at Penrith, though a lot of what he does is after contact is initiated, whereas what Hunt will do will be at or before the line, or with footwork. There aren't really any other locks or second rowers that I can think of who are predominantly ball players in the NRL anymore. Moreso the hookers who go back to that role when the running hooker comes on like I mentioned before.

The other difference between what Hunt and Cartwright will do is defence. Cartwright doesn't do defence and believes defence is what is around deground. Hard to believe that this time last year he was considered by many to be unlucky to miss out on origin, particularly in the dead rubber. He'd be maybe 15th in line right now. Sure he's been injury affected, but it just goes to show that with a bit of time to analyse video, plenty of attacking players get worked out by defensive coaches at NRL level. Makes you appreciate just how good the little guys who play 200+ games in the NRL really are.

Moose wrote:
No it won't

Honeysett wrote:

Wade Graham?

Ice wrote:

Name a bigger one!

a team (not individuals) that have won 10 of 11 series, with the best 1,7 and 9 in the world, plus possibly the team mate of those 3 in the 6,(but if not an Aus rep and the form 6 in the comp who is a seasoned Origin performer, with plenty of other Aus experience in the side and a couple of debutants getting beaten by a side they have owned for over a decade that consists of a perennial failure steering the ship, a down on form injured FB, and a rookie 9 and multiple players including their skipper carrying injuries into the game with the game IN Qld......please, just cause we jagged a decent win in game one because Qld totally bungled their selection, doesn't mean Qld shouldn't be red hot Favourites. It will be massive if NSW win. Mega upset.

Ice wrote:

Name a bigger one!

a team (not individuals) that have won 10 of 11 series, with the best 1,7 and 9 in the world, plus possibly the team mate of those 3 in the 6,(but if not an Aus rep and the form 6 in the comp who is a seasoned Origin performer, with plenty of other Aus experience in the side and a couple of debutants getting beaten by a side they have owned for over a decade that consists of a perennial failure steering the ship, a down on form injured FB, and a rookie 9 and multiple players including their skipper carrying injuries into the game with the game IN Qld......please, just cause we jagged a decent win in game one because Qld totally bungled their selection, doesn't mean Qld shouldn't be red hot Favourites. It will be massive if NSW win. Mega upset.

Ice wrote:Will be the biggest upset in sport since 2014 if NSW win.

Moose wrote:No it won't

Ice wrote:Name a bigger one!

Moose wrote:





Sure.

Aside from the fact that QLD are missing several of their key players such as Thurston, Inglis, Boyd and Scott if NSW win this coming week it will not be the biggest upset in sport since 2014 like you suggest. Several upsets that far outrank this include...

Joseph Schooling defeating Michael Phelps in the Olympic 100m butterfly final

Angelique Kerber defeating Serena Williams in the Australian Open final

Danny Willett winning the US Masters (Odds were $151 before the first tee)

Leicester City winning the 2015-16 EPL Championship

Western Bulldogs winning the AFL Grand Final

Cronulla Sharks winning the NRL Grand Final

Honeysett wrote:

Leicester City had an amazing year - can't beat that.

Bulldogs, fuck you why'd you bring that up.

The rest aren't worth mentioning as he also said a team sport.

Honeysett wrote:

Wade Graham?

Moose wrote:

Well he originally said biggest upset in sport (which I disagreed with) then narrowed it down to team sports, hence why I listed 3 examples of both team and individual sports. The point still stands. It will not be the biggest upset in sport (individual or otherwise) since 2014 if NSW do in fact beat QLD this coming week.

Dip wrote:

The Australian Fullback is missing game 3. The best halfback (and best player in the game) is missing 2 games. Australia's best prop of the last 10 years, and an all-time great outside back have missed the whole series. If we win it will be with two guys who have played QLD Cup during the state of origin period, and thats not mentioning guys like Guerra or Glasby. If QLD win it'll be the biggest achievement since we won with guys like Mogg, Wesser, Schifcofske, Flannery etc. NSW will be in the foetal position crying if they don't win.

Honeysett wrote:

It will be a huge upset. I don't think biggest ever - but certainly an upset.

dasherhalo wrote:Look, the NSW side is as good as it ever has been (on paper). QLD is old, and we've lost our aura.

I don't care how much of a stirring comeback we made in game 2, I don't care how good our side has been over the last decade plus: once NSW get over the yips, they'll take this game by 13 plus.

If they don't, f*ck me, we'll be laughing up this way. "Silver platter" comes to mind".

lol

Honeysett wrote:

Leicester City had an amazing year - can't beat that.

Bulldogs, fuck you why'd you bring that up.

The rest aren't worth mentioning as he also said a team sport.

Ice wrote:

Forget the individuals you mention, none of them are valid, but even in the team ones. Leicester, finished the prior year well if I remember and played well throughout the year. Unexpected? Yes, but they didn't UPSET anyone.

Same for Bulldogs, not tipped at the start of the year but played well all season and were favourites heading into the GF surely, and if not, certainly given a great chance. Not as if they had been dominated by Sydney for years previous.

Both were surprises, but their final results weren't UPSETs.