State of Origin 2017 Series

Ice wrote:

I don't understand, what are my usual predictions around the Eels and Blues? When am I wrong about them?

Welshy wrote:

My obvious Friz bias aside, this isn't even close. Frizell is twice the player McGuire is.

Ice wrote:

SI wrote:NSW were favourites weren't they?

They don't call em Mug punters for nothing!They were favs in the eyes of the blind. I didn't bet on the game cause I could never bring myself to bet on Qld, to my own detriment and hip pocket though, cause if I could, I would have loaded up on Qldto winthe game and to win the series after game 1.

Ice wrote:

Give yourself a dozen welshy, it's close. One of them will be a Roo at years end and it won't be Frizell. Well, maybe they both will be due to Mal's loyalty but come World Cup final we will see who is prefers at lock in the green and gold.

surmo13 wrote:

It's a tried and true tactic, you talk down your team and talk up your opponents so if your team wins they're goddamn heroes, and it's working especially well for you, given how long the teams you support have been basket cases.

you even followed that up with evidence, i picked out a couple of your more egregious efforts:

Dugan v Morgan. At centre Dugan, as a class player who can fill his role at this level wherever it is Morgan, but I give a slight edge to Dugan as the Oz centre

a slight edge to an Australian representative centre against a player who has never played that position before?

Fifita v Wallace = Sure Fifita at his best easy, but how often do we see it. NSW expect him to carry them, Wallace simply needs to do a job and he does it well. Totally different expectations

It's Fifita, no buts. at all.

Graham v Glasby = Graham is clearly a better player, but is he a better role player?

There is no other person on earth that needs to use a question mark to explain picking Graham over Glasby.

Honeysett wrote:

Come on man, you're not fucking stupid. When does any media/ex player pick the other team to win. Ever. Come on man. Honestly. If that's your argument we have nothing more to talk about.

As far as odds go, the book makers set the start and then it goes by weight of money on.

SI wrote:

So in all seriousness, what would you have taken on NSW for Game 3? Considering they were a $1.90 last time I looked from the mugs, $3 would have been attractive enough to tempt you??

Welshy wrote:

Friz best position for a start is edge forward where he is devastating. He is still a better lock than McGuire on top of it not being his actual position

Ice wrote:

It's not clear cut and you'll find as many who agree as who disagree is my point. It's not like comparing Cronk and Pearce, you can't argue And get a grenade from the masses that Frizell is clearly and easily better.

Ice wrote:

So you agree, Dugan is better at centre than Morgan, Fifita is better than Wallace and Graham is better than Glasby, excellent.

Ice wrote:

As I said, a bunch of NSW aligned,(even more closely than I thought) experts tipping their state to win IF they play better!! stop the presses. Oh, and Wally tipping Qld, well der.

As if Gould, the most die hard NSW fan would ever tip against them, and he predicts we will win cause we have the better bench

Welshy wrote:

Not to the Pearce/Cronk Extent mate which is 100% but I reckon 80% minimum would pick Friz over McGuire if they were building a team

Ice wrote:

Give yourself a dozen welshy, it's close. One of them will be a Roo at years end and it won't be Frizell. Well, maybe they both will be due to Mal's loyalty but come World Cup final we will see who is prefers at lock in the green and gold.

surmo13 wrote:

and you've completely missed the point of why i picked those ones, there were others i disagreed with you on, but those three stuck out to me, because even when the choice is crystal clear in your favour you can't help trying to invite argument like it's worth a debate.

surmo13 wrote:

It's a tried and true tactic, you talk down your team and talk up your opponents so if your team wins they're goddamn heroes, and it's working especially well for you, given how long the teams you support have been basket cases.

you even followed that up with evidence, i picked out a couple of your more egregious efforts:

Dugan v Morgan. At centre Dugan, as a class player who can fill his role at this level wherever it is Morgan, but I give a slight edge to Dugan as the Oz centre

a slight edge to an Australian representative centre against a player who has never played that position before?

Fifita v Wallace = Sure Fifita at his best easy, but how often do we see it. NSW expect him to carry them, Wallace simply needs to do a job and he does it well. Totally different expectations

It's Fifita, no buts. at all.

Graham v Glasby = Graham is clearly a better player, but is he a better role player?

There is no other person on earth that needs to use a question mark to explain picking Graham over Glasby.

Moose wrote:
You are kidding yourself if you think Frizell won't be in the green and gold come seasons end. While Mal will most likely select Cordner and Gillett over Frizell to start, he wll nab a bench spot for sure. His best position isn't even at lock either. When fit (which I highly doubt he was 100% for tonights game) Frizell is one of the most damaging players in the game.

Ice wrote:

Clearly above I clarified as I wrote and said they will likely both be there. We will see I guess if they are both there for the final.

Ice wrote:

1.Who are the others.

2.The clarification about roles etc was simply to suggest it ISNT about individuals, but about what the team requires. That part of my discussion. Was in reference to Joey or whoever it might be suggesting NSW had the stronger team.

I disagree with whoever suggests that based on a individual comparison, and from a team perspective when you consider the role some of those weaker p,ayers who might not match up well with the direct opposite from NSW, play. Qld don't Wallace to dominate like NSW clearly need Fifita to do, they don't need Morgan to run riot over Dugan, they don't need Glasby to come and be a third ball player due to their weak spine like NSW need Graham to. So that part was simp,y a comparison of there roles.

But yes, the three noted are clearly superior footballers in the spots they lined up in. That said, I'd take Morgan over the Dugan in my side every day of the week. Better bloke, more versatile than Dugan in my view.