NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 92 - Fanatics Anonymous Off Season

White Lightning wrote:just further on cleary...fantasy rule no. 1 when picking your team the 1st player you pick is your captain & you pick the player who you think will be the top scoring player regardless of price. Cleary is comfortably the best player in fantasy who will score the most points & as Mattnz mentioned previously he is 10-15 points better than the next best fantasy player.
Conclusion = Cleary should be the 1st person named in your team
Also early season you play it safe & tactically you go with the crowd the time for taking punts is later on. If you punt on a differential captain from the start & ignore Cleary when his ownership will be massive then it's a hard road back if he scores 70+ each week. If say Cleary fails then your rank won't be affected as much as he's highly owned.

I agree, Clearly is the way to go to start the season. Even if he starts round 2

It’s a no brainer to start with Cleary first player picked for me put the C on him and not have to stress.

Sucks for Brailey though massive blow to the Knights. Be interesting to see if they go into the market now for a no frills hooker or whether they stick with Randall and Mann off the bench.

Happy New Year degens!

What’s everyone think about Cleary vs No Cleary?

Some interesting rule changes. I was expecting a small increase to squad sizes to help balance out the likely Covid issues. Think we will be playing short a lot this year which might suck some of the fun out. As long as Gerry sticks to his guns and doesn’t start throwing extra trades at us I’ll be happy though.

mattnz wrote:

I think if they say he is due to play round 3, that is the cutoff for me that I would still have him in the side. Anything longer than that and I would look at other options for captain to start the season. Still wouldnt have Turbo though. Almost impossible to keep up his scoring from last season and high injury risk. Sure to be cheaper at some point during the season to pick him up.

The rationale you are using for Trbojevic is exactly the same rationale for not picking Cleary at the start of the season, except that Trbojevic has not just had major surgery

"Recovery time from a shoulder reconstruction is normally up to six months, but club sources with knowledge of Cleary’s injury told the Herald on Friday they were optimistic he would be back in four-and-a-half months, which coincides with round one.

It had been reported that Cleary was set to miss the opening month of the 2022 season. If the club feels Cleary needs longer they will not rush his return for the sake of being right for the first game, but he has proven to them in the past how diligent he is when it comes to rehabilitating injuries."

Personally, I do not trust anything Ivan Cleary says to the media. He is a shyster. If Cleary does start R1-R3, he will be underdone and risking re-injury. At the same time, you are expecting him to match an all-time historical high for fantasy scoring. The Panthers were talking up his recovery prospects for Round 1 even before he had his surgery. No point on harping on about it, as it seems I am the only one that is unconvinced. There is no way Cleary matches his 2021 scoring in the opening rounds of next season. If he does not start Round 1, you will be in the dark for up to Round 6. Best to start planning alternatives now I reckon

easytiger wrote:

I'd suggest the biggest problem for non-owners was missing the points rather than the gain.
There were probably 30+? players that made a $200k or so gain last year - you didn't have to get Cleary to make good money.

But a guy who scored 4 centuries and 9 scores of 87 or more in his first 12 games and is a reliable Captaincy to double that gain is the real killer.

It's the points that make him a must have selection rather than value.

I think MTB said it best last year: you can't win the comp with your starting squad, but you can lose it

That is not my point, it was that as a top price cash cow and prime captain option, he became impossible or impractical to bring into your team. It was not about making money it was about keeping up with the price rises. That will not happen this year. Cleary will become more affordable rather than less affordable over time. I don't think this is a controversial statement. I am not saying that I will not own Cleary across the season. I will pick him up when he hits his floor. If he starts in Round 3 for example, this might be Round 7 to 8 or so.

Are there any naysayers out there who want to suggest that Cleary will rise significantly in price and is not priced at his peak?

Cleary is not fit? I wont be picking him then.

Back to ol faithful, CS9

Pookus McFly wrote:On the other side of the premium centre debate, is anyone else concerned by Jack Bird playing lock? The crabwalk has been nerfed and he loves a missed tackle. Limited sample size, but he averaged 4.5 MTs in his 4 games in the second row. He will be better supported in the middle, but I could see his negatives counteracting any attacking stats and him sticking to a 45 average. I prefer both Burton and Aitken to him by some margin.

LOCK is a different game to 2RF. The slight gain in missed tackles he had in the forwards is more than offset by the increase in tackles made. Moving to the middle, he will get his hands on the ball more, run more, and have a better chance of recording attacking stats than when he was he played 2RF. His average over that small four game sample at 2RF was 51. When did MattNZ become such a yes man?

Buton and Aiken over Bird? YES
Bird is also of sufficient value to be added to my side? YES

The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:


Are there any naysayers out there who want to suggest that Cleary will rise significantly in price and is not priced at his peak?

Nay

The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:

The rationale you are using for Trbojevic is exactly the same rationale for not picking Cleary at the start of the season, except that Trbojevic has not just had major surgery

"Recovery time from a shoulder reconstruction is normally up to six months, but club sources with knowledge of Cleary’s injury told the Herald on Friday they were optimistic he would be back in four-and-a-half months, which coincides with round one.

It had been reported that Cleary was set to miss the opening month of the 2022 season. If the club feels Cleary needs longer they will not rush his return for the sake of being right for the first game, but he has proven to them in the past how diligent he is when it comes to rehabilitating injuries."

Personally, I do not trust anything Ivan Cleary says to the media. He is a shyster. If Cleary does start R1-R3, he will be underdone and risking re-injury. At the same time, you are expecting him to match an all-time historical high for fantasy scoring. The Panthers were talking up his recovery prospects for Round 1 even before he had his surgery. No point on harping on about it, as it seems I am the only one that is unconvinced. There is no way Cleary matches his 2021 scoring in the opening rounds of next season. If he does not start Round 1, you will be in the dark for up to Round 6. Best to start planning alternatives now I reckon

Murray got the same shoulder surgery as Cleary in the same week and has also said he's confident of being fit for round 1, just as another point to consider

The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:

LOCK is a different game to 2RF. The slight gain in missed tackles he had in the forwards is more than offset by the increase in tackles made. Moving to the middle, he will get his hands on the ball more, run more, and have a better chance of recording attacking stats than when he was he played 2RF. His average over that small four game sample at 2RF was 51. When did MattNZ become such a yes man?

Buton and Aiken over Bird? YES
Bird is also of sufficient value to be added to my side? YES  

This is obviously an alt account. This account hasnt been around long enough to know that I am normally happy as the contrarian.

Maybe it is MY alt account.

Lchy wrote:

Murray got the same shoulder surgery as Cleary in the same week and has also said he's confident of being fit for round 1, just as another point to consider

"While Cleary’s injury was suffered during State of Origin, there was no exact moment Murray injured his. It has simply degraded over time.

Recovery time can be up to six months, which could mean Murray may not return until April, however, he is determined to be fit for the Rabbitohs’ Round 1 clash with the Broncos."

I would not pick Murray either. He is no guarantee of being right for Round 1 https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2022-cameron-murray-shoulder-injury-return-date-south-sydney-rabbitohs-david-fifita-injury-painkilling-injections-gold-coast-titans/news-story/585b3d1764de5801a9e13eff6b7d37fc

I've seen Ray stone in a few teams and don't quite understand why The eels have a forward pack stacked with big minute players and I can't see him getting to many minutes

FalconSloth wrote:I've seen Ray stone in a few teams and don't quite understand why The eels have a forward pack stacked with big minute players and I can't see him getting to many minutes

It’s a Dolphin conspiracy

FalconSloth wrote:I've seen Ray stone in a few teams and don't quite understand why The eels have a forward pack stacked with big minute players and I can't see him getting to many minutes

I think you will find that it is the Titans edge player Sam Stone.

mattnz wrote:
I think you will find that it is the Titans edge player Sam Stone.

That’d be even more confusing as Sam Stone went to the Super League

Papa was a rolling Stone

Camo123 wrote:

It’s a Dolphin conspiracy

Funny you should mention it! One alt I am not is that bile merchant Gall Stone (aka Rabbit) that used to vomit on these pages a few years back. It is interesting to see him back in the fantasy system - I had the impression he was well past it.

Rooster Booster wrote:Saw this about Djokovic and thought it was funny given it was NRL related.

Cant have been up to the task

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/127513547/hes-out-novak-djokovic-set-to-be-deported-after-court-dismisses-bid-to-stay-in-australia

The Dolphin Conspiracies wrote:

Funny you should mention it! One alt I am not is that bile merchant Gall Stone (aka Rabbit) that used to vomit on these pages a few years back. It is interesting to see him back in the fantasy system - I had the impression he was well past it.

All alts are Rabbit alts in my book.

Hey Rabbits

Pookus McFly wrote:

All alts are Rabbit alts in my book.

Hey Rabbits

Hehe... That's both a pretty deceptive and very misleading theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA Much like MattNZ's claim about the best player to captain in Round One. Yet, there is no cleary consensus that his score will rise. Keep following the white rabbit Pookus. The truth is out there