NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 35 - Man U need to consider Joseph now

rhinoceroo wrote:

Yeah, I think people are trying to manufacture a cow. Dunster's 20 points in Rnd 13 aren't going to be worth it, would rather run short on that bye but make more money with a less bye-friendly cow, or just save trades.

I’ll respectfully disagree.
Not having that 20 points in Rds 13 and 16 seems silly, especially when considering how difficult people are going to find it to fill out their squads for this rounds. I’ve done a bit of bye planning and I’m happy where I’m at and with that move in particular. With 3 trades made before Rd 13, I can field a team of 12, excluding Dunster. The only tradeout options I have at that point are Sele, Couchman or Lemuelu, all 3 of which play Rd 13 (granted Lem might be traded to another Rd 13 playing centre before then if he loses his spot). I’m not in a position to trade any other players to a WFB who plays 13. Therefore for me, he makes sense to bring in and it is likely to be an additional 20 points that I wasn’t otherwise going to be able to fill (unless I burnt a further 1-2 trades during Origin).

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to pump up Dunster or promote him but he fits a particular need for my squad and is basement price. I’m willing to take a shot on a player returning to form from a long injury lay-off, on a team who’s byes fit well for Origin. It appears as though BA is letting him have the spot over Waka/Simonsson to prove himself, so the spot is his to lose.
At $220k he can’t lose money.
All it takes is one try and/or big run and his cash gen creeps up a little.
Worst case I’m burning a trade at Round 20 (or before if he gets dropped/injured) getting him out of my team.
The clincher for me tho is that it allows me to bring in 2x players I need for Origin coverage (Manu, JMK).

Plenty of reasons not to get him if you can go elsewhere. Trust me, I’m not advising that you go out and bring him into your team but if you need a basement level, cash out option that allows you to manufacture other trades, then he may be the guy you’re after.
Very few negatives that will keep me up all night if he does make his way into my team as a 21st man.

Time will tell, and I doubt it will be the reason I drop down the rankings.

GreenSchist wrote:
Ahh nice find MF.

I think I’m convinced that Dunster is the pick.

Burton, Alamoti, Warbrick OUT
Dunster, Manu, JMK IN

You not keen to see how Burton goes at 7? Does he finally become that dominant half with hands on the ball a lot more. I guess all the injuries at the Bulldogs are a worry

Honey Badger wrote:

You not keen to see how Burton goes at 7? Does he finally become that dominant half with hands on the ball a lot more. I guess all the injuries at the Bulldogs are a worry

It is an interesting development, especially with Oloapu lurking there.
Happy to take the L on the Burton punt as he’s looked a bit lost and the Dogs just don’t have the structure for him to accumulate attacking stats.
He was always an out for me come Origin, so just pulling the pin a bit earlier than originally planned.

Allows me to get Manu who I have more confidence in at this point.

Souths signing Wighton on that money* seems crazy, where does he fit? Centre? RIP Alex Johnston tryscoring feats lol, with Graham on the other side both wingers can catch a cold

Just cos Wighton wants to win a premiership and isn’t good enough to do it with the keys to a team doesn’t mean a team should mismanage their cap to accomodate him. Also not a big fan of the trend of players receiving less money to chase trophies like it’s the NBA but I don’t know how to police that tbh (or if you realistically can).

As an aside, Canberra trying to sign Wighton for that extra money** also seems a bit crazy. But I guess people don’t want to live in Canberra/Newcastle/NZ/Balmain anymore so those teams have to pay overs


*aware Fox likes to make up large contract numbers
**see above

Ando wrote:

Yeah I’m not keen on Dunster at all, but will definitely take a punt on Skelton or Oloapu. From what I’ve heard/seen he’s a metre eater which the Dogs need with no Kiraz/Fox. Should find out Friday after captains runs if either are getting a start. Team looks great, I’m on Manu too. Hoping he’s a bit of a POD with the top ranked teams so I can break into the top 100 this week.

Skelton would only have 3 weeks while Kiraz is out as Burns is the preferred replacement if he starts ahead of Casey

I’m not 100% on Dunster but my plans roughly next week are Moses + Dunster vs DBrown + cash cow that’s not much better (316k on current prices of which there is none better)

Also a quote from Ciraldo: Kyle (Flanagan) will be playing 5/8, there’s no ducks and drakes and wants Burton to take greater control

Trades finalised
Grant - Masterson
Akp - jdb
Warbrick - dunster

Boyd
Haas matterson jdb
Katoa hosking
Hynes cleary
Lemmy Alamoti
Teddy Walsh cnk

Sj Preston loiero ford

Crossland katoa couchman dunster

Gonna captain hynes this week and deal with loiero and Ekatoa next week

Camo123 wrote:

Skelton would only have 3 weeks while Kiraz is out as Burns is the preferred replacement if he starts ahead of Casey

I’m not 100% on Dunster but my plans roughly next week are Moses + Dunster vs DBrown + cash cow that’s not much better (316k on current prices of which there is none better)

Also a quote from Ciraldo: Kyle (Flanagan) will be playing 5/8, there’s no ducks and drakes and wants Burton to take greater control

Yeah fair point, all of the 230k options have risk and I’m sure whichever I pick will be the wrong one haha.

Could Wighton be going to the bunnies in a Jonny Suttonesque left edge role? Arrow is much better in the middle and their other left edge options are just squad players.

Camo123 wrote:

Skelton would only have 3 weeks while Kiraz is out as Burns is the preferred replacement if he starts ahead of Casey

I’m not 100% on Dunster but my plans roughly next week are Moses + Dunster vs DBrown + cash cow that’s not much better (316k on current prices of which there is none better)

Also a quote from Ciraldo: Kyle (Flanagan) will be playing 5/8, there’s no ducks and drakes and wants Burton to take greater control

This bit here is why I'm leaning more towards taking a punt on a basement guy like Dunster.
There's acres of space between $220k and a 'reliable' cow atm - probaly aroud the $350-$400k mark. That extra $100k + comes in handy.

GreenSchist wrote:
I’ll respectfully disagree.
Not having that 20 points in Rds 13 and 16 seems silly, especially when considering how difficult people are going to find it to fill out their squads for this rounds. I’ve done a bit of bye planning and I’m happy where I’m at and with that move in particular. With 3 trades made before Rd 13, I can field a team of 12, excluding Dunster. The only tradeout options I have at that point are Sele, Couchman or Lemuelu, all 3 of which play Rd 13 (granted Lem might be traded to another Rd 13 playing centre before then if he loses his spot). I’m not in a position to trade any other players to a WFB who plays 13. Therefore for me, he makes sense to bring in and it is likely to be an additional 20 points that I wasn’t otherwise going to be able to fill (unless I burnt a further 1-2 trades during Origin).

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to pump up Dunster or promote him but he fits a particular need for my squad and is basement price. I’m willing to take a shot on a player returning to form from a long injury lay-off, on a team who’s byes fit well for Origin. It appears as though BA is letting him have the spot over Waka/Simonsson to prove himself, so the spot is his to lose.
At $220k he can’t lose money.
All it takes is one try and/or big run and his cash gen creeps up a little.
Worst case I’m burning a trade at Round 20 (or before if he gets dropped/injured) getting him out of my team.
The clincher for me tho is that it allows me to bring in 2x players I need for Origin coverage (Manu, JMK).

Plenty of reasons not to get him if you can go elsewhere. Trust me, I’m not advising that you go out and bring him into your team but if you need a basement level, cash out option that allows you to manufacture other trades, then he may be the guy you’re after.
Very few negatives that will keep me up all night if he does make his way into my team as a 21st man.

Time will tell, and I doubt it will be the reason I drop down the rankings.

It depends on current team makeup and who your possible outs are whether it makes sense or not, like you say. But if I'm desperate for numbers I can get Weekes or whoever immediately before the bye.

Plus, I'm not convinced it's *that* necessary to run 13 in all the small byes if it disrupts the moneymaking and trade preservation you need to have an all-gun team for the run home. Which is why I'd rather get one of the Bulldogs guys if I think they're going to make more cash, and forfeit Dunster's round 13 points.

rhinoceroo wrote:

It depends on current team makeup and who your possible outs are whether it makes sense or not, like you say. But if I'm desperate for numbers I can get Weekes or whoever immediately before the bye.

Plus, I'm convinced it's *that* necessary to run 13 in all the small byes if it disrupts the moneymaking and trade preservation you need to have an all-gun team for the run home. Which is why I'd rather get one of the Bulldogs guys if I think they're going to make more cash, and forfeit Dunster's round 13 points.

Yea, that's fair. If I knew more about those two Bulldogs players that might be an option for this week but i think it's too early to make that call for this round.
If Oloapu usurps Flanno and takes on a major role, then I can look at bringing him in if and when that happens. Still plenty of cows I will need to milk and cashdown.

Definitely don't need to run a full 13 for the bye rounds. I was content with only playing 2x WFB in Rd 13, until Dunster presented himself with little to no disruption to my team.

Honey Badger wrote:

You not keen to see how Burton goes at 7? Does he finally become that dominant half with hands on the ball a lot more. I guess all the injuries at the Bulldogs are a worry

He already was the dominant half, and got almost all the kicking. Not seeing a real difference for him. For others it would be much more significant.

mattnz wrote:

He already was the dominant half, and got almost all the kicking. Not seeing a real difference for him. For others it would be much more significant.

It's more about him getting his hands on the ball more, playing both sides, and running the ball more than a couple of times a game, rather than standing out on the left, looking disinterested and waiting for the ball to come to him, which has been the hallmark of his Dogs season so far.

If he can do the former, combined with his kicking, he could be a Hynes-style gun, but it's very much a "wait and see"

GreenSchist wrote:

Yea, that's fair. If I knew more about those two Bulldogs players that might be an option for this week but i think it's too early to make that call for this round.
If Oloapu usurps Flanno and takes on a major role, then I can look at bringing him in if and when that happens. Still plenty of cows I will need to milk and cashdown.

Definitely don't need to run a full 13 for the bye rounds. I was content with only playing 2x WFB in Rd 13, until Dunster presented himself with little to no disruption to my team.

Just be careful grabbing a guy like Dunster to make up numbers, as you can only have 3-4 Knights, Manly and Eels players in your team in round 14, (assuming all Origin players back up and play, and you aren't carrying any short term suspensions or injuries as well). Dunster seems a waste of very limited spots, that could be a Matterson, Moses, Miller, Hopgood etc instead.

mattnz wrote:

Just be careful grabbing a guy like Dunster to make up numbers, as you can only have 3-4 Knights, Manly and Eels players in your team in round 14, (assuming all Origin players back up and play, and you aren't carrying any short term suspensions or injuries as well). Dunster seems a waste of very limited spots, that could be a Matterson, Moses, Miller, Hopgood etc instead.

This is actually my biggest issue with Dunster (however Weekes is also in the same boat)

Currently my plan is Frizell, Miller, Moses as the 3 guns from Manly/Knights/Eels

mattnz wrote:

Just be careful grabbing a guy like Dunster to make up numbers, as you can only have 3-4 Knights, Manly and Eels players in your team in round 14, (assuming all Origin players back up and play, and you aren't carrying any short term suspensions or injuries as well). Dunster seems a waste of very limited spots, that could be a Matterson, Moses, Miller, Hopgood etc instead.

Agree. The Knights, Eels and Manly trap is def something to watch out for.
With Dunster, I have 13 for Rd 13 and 15 for Rd 14, with my plan being to trade out Sele, Couchman and Lemuelu before the commencement of Rd 14 to make up those remaining roster spots.
Will be tight but looking on track to fielding a full strength squad for that annoying round.

No trades for me this week after max trading so far

Don't like any of the "cows" and think the mid range options all need another look

Had slight interest in Granville if named at lock again but doesn't seem likely

I think Warbrick to Manu is my only trade this week. I was considering EKatoa to JDB but I think I want to wait another week to see if his role will remain the same.

Bringing in guys after one good score has been a issue for me this year.

Does the price predictor on footystats seem a little off this week or just me? Seems to be under predicting with a magic number of 13,500

mattnz wrote:

Find the mid range options with significant value if cheap cows aren't available

Are there even any of those available? It’s a bit rough at the moment

Camo123 wrote:

This is actually my biggest issue with Dunster (however Weekes is also in the same boat)

Currently my plan is Frizell, Miller, Moses as the 3 guns from Manly/Knights/Eels

That seems like a good selection, and not over investing.

Currently mine would be Miller, Matterson and Dunster, with an eye on either Moses or D.Brown.

Definitely manageable with only 3-4 players from those teams.