NSW Origin side 2018

Moose wrote:Peach will be utility.

BOOM.

Called it months ago.

Also, when you look at the sides position v position, there is no fucking way NSW should be fav in this game. QLD has NSW covered in all the important positions and every back line position

Ted v Slater = Slater
JAC v Holmes = Holmes
Mitchell v Chambers = I would take mitchell, but most would take Chambers
Roberts v Inglis = Inglis
TTrbo v Gagai = Gagai grows an extra dick in origin
Maloney v Munster = Both very different, Ill take munster tho.
Cleary v Hunt = Cleary is a better half than Hunt, but hunt is more experienced in big games. Ill take cleary tho.
RCG v Wallace = RCG is a rookie, Wallace isnt. Prob RCG though.
Cook v McCullouch = Both are rookies, Cook is more electric but McCullough is the more solid safe player
Klemmer v Napa = same same, but possibly Klemmer
Cordner v Cooper = cordner
Friz v Felise = Friz
JDB v Wallace = with wallace coming off injury, JDB is the fav but if both are healthy, Wallace's experience gets him over JDB

Peachy v Morgan = morgan
JTrbo v Arrow = JTrbo
Vaughn v Papalii = Papalii's experience gets him over Vaughn
Crichton v Hess = again, Hess's experience gets him over Crichton

Thats 11 QLD players IMO that are better than the NSW player.

One good thing about this series is that origin might now be a genuine trial for the Aus team for a few positions like hooker, half, 6

Players I’d pick in each of those match ups

Slater
Holmes
Chambers
GI
Gagai
Munster
Cleary
Rcg
Cook(closest call, very different players)
Klem
Cordner
Friz
McGuire

Morgan
Jtrbo
Papali (based on papa usually playing up a gear in origin)
Hess - better suited to the roles they play off the bench imo

More qld players but blues backline is untested, could goneirhwe way. the unpredictability of what they are gonna offer is pretty exciting imo

Our pack needs to do the job tho

Origin fees fresh from both sides, I can’t remember feeing this excited about the game and not just because I like our chance but because I really have no idea how it’s gonna play out

Pieman wrote:Also, when you look at the sides position v position, there is no fucking way NSW should be fav in this game. QLD has NSW covered in all the important positions and every back line position

Ted v Slater = Slater
JAC v Holmes = Holmes
Mitchell v Chambers = I would take mitchell, but most would take Chambers
Roberts v Inglis = Inglis
TTrbo v Gagai = Gagai grows an extra dick in origin
Maloney v Munster = Both very different, Ill take munster tho.
Cleary v Hunt = Cleary is a better half than Hunt, but hunt is more experienced in big games. Ill take cleary tho.
RCG v Wallace = RCG is a rookie, Wallace isnt. Prob RCG though.
Cook v McCullouch = Both are rookies, Cook is more electric but McCullough is the more solid safe player
Klemmer v Napa = same same, but possibly Klemmer
Cordner v Cooper = cordner  
Friz v Felise = Friz
JDB v Wallace = with wallace coming off injury, JDB is the fav but if both are healthy, Wallace's experience gets him over JDB

Peachy v Morgan = morgan
JTrbo v Arrow = JTrbo
Vaughn v Papalii = Papalii's experience gets him over Vaughn
Crichton v Hess = again, Hess's experience gets him over Crichton

Thats 11 QLD players IMO that are better than the NSW player.

One good thing about this series is that origin might now be a genuine trial for the Aus team for a few positions like hooker, half, 6

Got Wallace twice mate but I’d take JDB over McGUIRE anyway. I reckon it’s the following in terms of player vs player with a wash between Cook/Macca, Latrell/Chambers, RCG/Wallace

QLD - 8
Slater, Holmes, Inglis, Gagai, Munster, Morgan, Papalii and Hess

NSW - 6
Cleary, Klemmer, Cordner, Friz, JDB, JTurbo

Actually think Peach and Vaughan is better off the bench as options over Morgan and Papa but went The latter on bigger game experience as I did with Hess.

Can’t wait and 2-1 NSW

Friz man of the series

Welshy wrote:

Got Wallace twice mate but I’d take JDB over McGUIRE anyway. I reckon it’s the following in terms of player vs player with a wash between Cook/Macca, Latrell/Chambers, RCG/Wallace

QLD - 8
Slater, Holmes, Inglis, Gagai, Munster, Morgan, Papalii and Hess

NSW - 6
Cleary, Klemmer, Cordner, Friz, JDB, JTurbo

Actually think Peach and Vaughan is better off the bench as options over Morgan and Papa but went The latter on bigger game experience as I did with Hess.

Can’t wait and 2-1 NSW

Friz man of the series

ah yep my mistake, i meant mcguire
Also you missed out a centre mate

Pieman wrote:

ah yep my mistake, i meant mcguire
Also you missed out a centre mate

got them all I think mate got Latrell and Chambers as a wash, Chambers big game experience vs the Uber talented but Lazy Mitchell

More I look at it more I think NSW pack can really get on top, just need Roberts and Mitchell to be sound defensively in the backs because both prone to big time bad reads

Ah yep my mistake again haha.

Also, well done nsw for picking a good contingent of indigenous players. 4 has to be our most ever at once?

JAC, Mitchell, Roberts, peachy.

Pieman wrote:Also, when you look at the sides position v position, there is no fucking way NSW should be fav in this game. QLD has NSW covered in all the important positions and every back line position

Ted v Slater = Slater
JAC v Holmes = Holmes
Mitchell v Chambers = I would take mitchell, but most would take Chambers
Roberts v Inglis = Inglis
TTrbo v Gagai = Gagai grows an extra dick in origin
Maloney v Munster = Both very different, Ill take munster tho.
Cleary v Hunt = Cleary is a better half than Hunt, but hunt is more experienced in big games. Ill take cleary tho.
RCG v Wallace = RCG is a rookie, Wallace isnt. Prob RCG though.
Cook v McCullouch = Both are rookies, Cook is more electric but McCullough is the more solid safe player
Klemmer v Napa = same same, but possibly Klemmer
Cordner v Cooper = cordner  
Friz v Felise = Friz
JDB v Wallace = with wallace coming off injury, JDB is the fav but if both are healthy, Wallace's experience gets him over JDB

Peachy v Morgan = morgan
JTrbo v Arrow = JTrbo
Vaughn v Papalii = Papalii's experience gets him over Vaughn
Crichton v Hess = again, Hess's experience gets him over Crichton

Thats 11 QLD players IMO that are better than the NSW player.

One good thing about this series is that origin might now be a genuine trial for the Aus team for a few positions like hooker, half, 6

Was gonna do this exercise so thanks for saving me the time.

My take:
Slater (no brainer at this level)
Holmes (comfortably at this level)
Chambers (has the experience, easily more composed and consistent, Mitchell picked totally on potential to be our Inglis, that's a massive question mark)
Inglis (please)
Gagai (again, basically Qld best backline player last year, never played a bad one)
Munster (Maloney has played more Origin, has a fantastic Club record, but has never played a better game, or even come close really, to Munsters effort last year, for now and the future Munster gets the nod)
Cleary (experience goes to Hunt comfortably, obviously, but Cleary is exciting, yet composed, if I had to choose, I'd take Cleary)
RCG (gets the nod but Wallace won't let Qld down, this is an even contest)
FAC (on every measure FAC get the chocolates, Cook has been braining it for 10 weeks, but it's a massive risk for NSW to go with him, but I do believe he is our best option)
Klemmer (I think he has been better at the elite level than Napa, both massive firebrands though, awesome contest between the two)
Cordner/Cooper (I have this as a tie, both are solid without being spectacular, I'd have neither in my top 17. They aren't game winners but game losers either, You might argue Cordner as our skipper and Aus incumbent, but take him out of Aus and add Cooper in and I think the Aus side I see basically still the same)
Frizell (better player than Kaufusi)
McGuire (experienced and proven at this level even fresh after injury v JDB, who has ben red hot but is carrying an injury)

Morgan (easy choice at this level, Peachey a massive unknown, is he the next Wing or the next Buhrer)
JTurbo (easy over Arrow, who I think will aim up, but no person is actually picking him over JTurbo at this stage)
Papalli (experienced and Proven at this level, but Vaughan should aim up nicely)
Hess (for now, both off the pace on where they were at club level last year, so the person who has been there gets the chocolates at this stage over a debutant)

So I have 11 Qld v 6 NSW with 3 of the 4 spine with Qld, but 4 of 7 NSW in the pack.

I think soooo much of this game will come down to how Cleary handles the Occassion if his pack can lay a platform and if our rookie backline can get some points. Qld back 5 defensively, having played together at this level, is a huge advantage.

Gonna be a great game I reckon.

NSW to overcome underdog status and get the win!

"Sometimes you've got to stop worrying about what they mightn't be great at and look at the things they are great at and go in with that attitude"

This quote from Fittler signifies the shift in attitude we have long needed. Stop worrying about stopping the unstoppable, and start thinking about making them stop your best attacking options.

Ice wrote:"Sometimes you've got to stop worrying about what they mightn't be great at and look at the things they are great at and go in with that attitude"

This quote from Fittler signifies the shift in attitude we have long needed. Stop worrying about stopping the unstoppable, and start thinking about making them stop your best attacking options.

agreed, however it’s much easier to say that now with Smith and JT out. They’ve had a generational spine for how many years? Will still be tough for the Blues to shake that losing mentality even without Smithy and JT but I reckon they get a series win first crack

Welshy wrote:

agreed, however it’s much easier to say that now with Smith and JT out. They’ve had a generational spine for how many years? Will still be tough for the Blues to shake that losing mentality even without Smithy and JT but I reckon they get a series win first crack

on the flip side, its probably why its good to have such a fresh team with a more positive mindset when those guys are gone. The mentality from previous years isn't really in the squad

Qld still have a strong team, and while the backline is ageing, it's still a bloody good one

Still iffy on our centres, both rookies going up against seasoned veterans, wingers of course, best bludging spot on the field

MrCashman wrote:Qld still have a strong team, and while the backline is ageing, it's still a bloody good one

Still iffy on our centres, both rookies going up against seasoned veterans, wingers of course, best bludging spot on the field

If our wingers bludge we'll lose. Only need to see Gagai in action to know the difference a good winger makes.

Ice wrote:"Sometimes you've got to stop worrying about what they mightn't be great at and look at the things they are great at and go in with that attitude"

This quote from Fittler signifies the shift in attitude we have long needed. Stop worrying about stopping the unstoppable, and start thinking about making them stop your best attacking options.

Not saying it isn't the right approach but since when is this a shift in attitude??

Here's a snippet of what Ricky Stuart said pre the 2012 series:

“If I make the easy decisions and the easy options in regard to this team, we won’t win,” Stuart said.

“I have to take risks.

“We have to go in there to score points to beat Queensland – you can’t be picking a team to compete with Queensland.

“I don’t want to compete. I believe we have to pick a football team we believe we can win with.”

Critics of recent NSW teams claim the Blues have been too defensive in the approach to beating Queensland, with plans to contain the Maroons’ juggernaut backfiring to the tune of six straight series losses.

I dunno guys. We could all nit-pick the one-percenters, but this is going to be one of the few series I can think of in recent history that could easily go either way, and LARGE.

It could be tight, or it could be a blow out either way.

Going to be fun!

leaguegod wrote:

on the flip side, its probably why its good to have such a fresh team with a more positive mindset when those guys are gone. The mentality from previous years isn't really in the squad

Also true mate, most interesting start of series in years

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Not saying it isn't the right approach but since when is this a shift in attitude??

Here's a snippet of what Ricky Stuart said pre the 2012 series:

Ahhh...2012, the series Ricky absolutely butchered in game 3. I agree for the most part we had the right Mentality that series (save for the debacle that was Buhrer selection in game 1, seriously, he instills absolutely no fear or concern in anyone from the bench), but game three, wow, what a coaching debacle that was.

Firstly, Uate struggled defensively and was dropped for game three BMorris. Jennings and Hayne had performed very well on the left side, In the first two games and were forming a good partnership, but in his Wisdom, Ricky thought it would be better to shift Hayne to the right wing to form a new partnership with JMorris and have BMorris form a new partnership with Jennings, as opposed to pairing twins, and leaving the left edge!!!, seriously, what a fucking stupid idea. Then, Lewis, who was our best attacking forward in game 2, stays on the bench and Beau Scott, (a completely defensive selection, who wasn't deemed good enough for games one and two) STARTS the game, replacing the ball playing, attacking Glenn Stewart, with Merrin (another attacking, offloading forward, who had been solid in the first two games, gets left out and Lewis sees NO action for the first 60 minutes.

This game still rankles. Everyone praised Ricky for how close we got and thought we'd turned the tide somewhat. I just thought he absolutely butchered game 3 with his selection changes and use of bench. He didn't get us close in game 3, he cost us the series. If Hayne stays on the left, Morris partners his brother on the right, Lewis starts, Merrin plays and Scott doesn't, I honestly think we win that game.

when i first say OSM reference the 2012 series, i knew it was gonna end with ICE ranting about hayne being shifted to the right haha

leaguegod wrote:when i first say OSM reference the 2012 series, i knew it was gonna end with ICE ranting about hayne being shifted to the right haha

I was actually surprised he didn't bring up the overlooking of Timmy Mannah and his renowned, rapid play-the-balls......which ultimately cost NSW the series.

leaguegod wrote:when i first say OSM reference the 2012 series, i knew it was gonna end with ICE ranting about hayne being shifted to the right haha

It wasn't really just about Hayne, it was more the fact he could have made just one change to the backline but made three and weakened the side and the combos considerably. Tell me his changes were right?