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Further to the conversation on little/not mentioned players @Welshy
Any love for top 5 hookers not named Cameron Smith? Thinking McCullough/McInnes/Peats specifically but interested in thoughts overall.
FWIW I'll be going with Smith, but with last year being all about the "double Cam" I'm interested to see less Gun/Gun chat this year. Harder to fit under the cap? Or is it because of the new bench system?
Any love for top 5 hookers not named Cameron Smith? Thinking McCullough/McInnes/Peats specifically but interested in thoughts overall.
FWIW I'll be going with Smith, but with last year being all about the "double Cam" I'm interested to see less Gun/Gun chat this year. Harder to fit under the cap? Or is it because of the new bench system?
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StuDogg101 wrote:Further to the conversation on little/not mentioned players @Welshy
Any love for top 5 hookers not named Cameron Smith? Thinking McCullough/McInnes/Peats specifically but interested in thoughts overall.
FWIW I'll be going with Smith, but with last year being all about the "double Cam" I'm interested to see less Gun/Gun chat this year. Harder to fit under the cap? Or is it because of the new bench system?
I think last year mate McInnes and Macca were both undervalued, this year they are priced accordingly
Few ticks below Smith who should as per usual match his godly status especially with Cronk going a young half and the other who generally doesn't kick much.
Smith provides the comfort of the obvious captaincy option and the ability to simply score better than the other top candidates
Guys like Cook and Lichaa priced well below the others not named Smith are offering far more value for money potential IMO
Then you have the basement hooking option who should provide some good cash injections later in season
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StuDogg101 wrote:Further to the conversation on little/not mentioned players @Welshy
Any love for top 5 hookers not named Cameron Smith? Thinking McCullough/McInnes/Peats specifically but interested in thoughts overall.
FWIW I'll be going with Smith, but with last year being all about the "double Cam" I'm interested to see less Gun/Gun chat this year. Harder to fit under the cap? Or is it because of the new bench system?
With Cook maybe playing 80 minutes & Lichaa developing a running game/maybe playing big minutes then people are focussing more on them.
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Welshy is bang on with the hooker analysis
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My current team:
HOK: C. Smith
FRF: J. Bromwich, J. Graham
2RF: N. Brown, J. Arrow, N. Asofa-Solomona
HLF: B. Croft, C. Watson
CTR: T. Milne, P. Hiku
WFB: K. Ponga, J. Hayne, G. Inglis
D. Cook
M. Lichaa
C. Garvey
M. Lodge
L. Croker
B. Cartwright
R. Kennar
V. Kikau
Cash left: $17 000
Noticeable Omissions: J. Tedesco, C. Murray, T. Harris
I think I should swap Kikau out for a dual FRF/2RF or for a WFB/CTR option. Just rounds out the depth of the team more. However it would have to be at a basement price. Not too worried if one of my CTR/WFB guys are bust. As it would affect most players. Not too thrilled at starting Arrow due to the risk, but if he performs it will be fine.
Any advice?
HOK: C. Smith
FRF: J. Bromwich, J. Graham
2RF: N. Brown, J. Arrow, N. Asofa-Solomona
HLF: B. Croft, C. Watson
CTR: T. Milne, P. Hiku
WFB: K. Ponga, J. Hayne, G. Inglis
D. Cook
M. Lichaa
C. Garvey
M. Lodge
L. Croker
B. Cartwright
R. Kennar
V. Kikau
Cash left: $17 000
Noticeable Omissions: J. Tedesco, C. Murray, T. Harris
I think I should swap Kikau out for a dual FRF/2RF or for a WFB/CTR option. Just rounds out the depth of the team more. However it would have to be at a basement price. Not too worried if one of my CTR/WFB guys are bust. As it would affect most players. Not too thrilled at starting Arrow due to the risk, but if he performs it will be fine.
Any advice?
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Boozecluez wrote:Anyone played around (Or involved with this)
Quite a nice setup and lots of colours/graphs
http://www.nrlfantasystats.com/
thanks for that, doesnt paint the whole picture but offers some interesting things like avg scores against specific teams and when players like to peak through the year
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I think/hope Kikau starts the season as a DPP FRF/2RF. Back row is his actual position, so hopefully Fanhub at some point realise this.
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Random wrote:My current team:
HOK: C. Smith
FRF: J. Bromwich, J. Graham
2RF: N. Brown, J. Arrow, N. Asofa-Solomona
HLF: B. Croft, C. Watson
CTR: T. Milne, P. Hiku
WFB: K. Ponga, J. Hayne, G. Inglis
D. Cook
M. Lichaa
C. Garvey
M. Lodge
L. Croker
B. Cartwright
R. Kennar
V. Kikau
Cash left: $17 000
Noticeable Omissions: J. Tedesco, C. Murray, T. Harris
I think I should swap Kikau out for a dual FRF/2RF or for a WFB/CTR option. Just rounds out the depth of the team more. However it would have to be at a basement price. Not too worried if one of my CTR/WFB guys are bust. As it would affect most players. Not too thrilled at starting Arrow due to the risk, but if he performs it will be fine.
Any advice?
Unless you have fallen in love with Watson I think you can afford to use Croker as a starter and upgrade Hayne to a gun in the WFB or put Hiku there and upgrade your CTR
You have a lot of depth and if Carty gets the 2RF gig your interchange should make some decent cash on top of your good bench
Nothing wrong with Arrow starting if he gets good minutes 50+ he should go around 35, so cash + $$$
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Milchcow wrote:
Welshy is bang on with the hooker analysis
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Welshy wrote:
I think last year mate McInnes and Macca were both undervalued, this year they are priced accordingly
Few ticks below Smith who should as per usual match his godly status especially with Cronk going a young half and the other who generally doesn't kick much.
Smith provides the comfort of the obvious captaincy option and the ability to simply score better than the other top candidates
Guys like Cook and Lichaa priced well below the others not named Smith are offering far more value for money potential IMO
Then you have the basement hooking option who should provide some good cash injections later in season
As insightful as I expected! I didn't consider their starting prices last year when wondering why they weren't being picked in any teams this year. Makes complete sense.
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Another CRACKing effort SI
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Anyone got the stats/scores for Max King last year?
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Random wrote:My current team:
HOK: C. Smith
FRF: J. Bromwich, J. Graham
2RF: N. Brown, J. Arrow, N. Asofa-Solomona
HLF: B. Croft, C. Watson
CTR: T. Milne, P. Hiku
WFB: K. Ponga, J. Hayne, G. Inglis
D. Cook
M. Lichaa
C. Garvey
M. Lodge
L. Croker
B. Cartwright
R. Kennar
V. Kikau
I will use this team to illustrate the new loophole.
First we need someone who won't play. Perhaps the best choice is someone who won't play round 1, but might get a go later in the year. Lets choose Kyle Flanagan from the Sharks (if Moylan/Townsend go down he could go straight into a goal kicking halfback position) and put him instead of Kikau.
Next we pick a player in our starting 17 who plays early in the round, but we aren't sure if they'll score well or not .
Matt Lodge works OK here. So we put Lodge in position 18 and promote Croker to 17 in his place
Team is
HOK: C. Smith
FRF: J. Bromwich, J. Graham
2RF: N. Brown, J. Arrow, N. Asofa-Solomona
HLF: B. Croft, C. Watson
CTR: T. Milne, P. Hiku
WFB: K. Ponga, J. Hayne, G. Inglis
D. Cook
M. Lichaa
C. Garvey
L. Croker
M. Lodge
K. Flanagan
B. Cartwright
R. Kennar
Broncos play first up in round 1.
So after round 1 we look at Lodge's score.
Lets say he flopped and scored 12 points. We leave things as they are and get Croker to score in our 17.
But lets say Lodge has a killer game and scores 42 points.
Then we swap Flanagan for Croker.
Flanagan is now in our 17, and Croker is in position 19
End of the round and Flanagan gets subbed out and as top ranked reserve Lodge comes in to replace him.
If anyone else doesn't play that round then Croker to sub for them (if it works positionally, if not we'll get Cartwright or Kennar)
Basically, if you have an NPR in your squad, you can get a free look at a player who play early in the round and decide if you want to keep their score or not.
Of course it could back fire - we might loophole Lodge on 40 points, only to see Croker score 60.
But if you don't loop and play Lodge over Croker that is what is going to happen anyway.
Depending on the position of your NPR and your 18th man, you can loop into your starting 13. but looping amongst reserves will be the easiest.
Just name early round player in 18, weakest member of your starting 17 on the bench, and an NPR in position 19.
Doesn't have to be Lodge to loop either.
You could put Cartwright in your halves, and Watson in 18. Knight play 2nd so if Watson goes big you put Flanagan in for Cartwright and Watson will AE himself into your team (note that Watson plays against Croker round 1 so he'd be locked out and couldn't use him to loop, it woul dhave to be Cartwrigth in this case)
Watson flops and you get Cartwright's score.
Note that in round 2, Sharks play first up and locks out early so you can't loop that week(unless you lose a player to injury/suspension)
Round 3 Sharks play late Saturday game so loop is back on. Storm are up early, you could try NAS in position 18. Or maybe keep it at Lodge
Options galore
Is the free look that you get most weeks worth giving up a cash making spot?
If you pick an NPR who plays late most weeks, then you can get a free look at almost any player in your squad (position dependant)
Who wouldn't want to see a players score before deciding if they want to put it in their 17 or not
At ~$15,000 a point, if your cashie makes $150,000 (10 points above his priced average) then that is 10 points a week you are missing out on from your final team.
It is not a no-brainer decision to set up for looping, as it will cost you money. But it is certainly tempting.
Can you guarantee that your 4th best cash cow will make $150,000. If you are giving up a Rory O'Brien or Jaelen Feeney you would take the loop option every day. but you don't want to miss out on the next Dylan Edwards or Jaydon Brailey.
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Welshy wrote:Anyone got the stats/scores for Max King last year?
8 games from the bench averaged 23 points. (High score was a 40 when he got 61 minutes in round 23)
9 starts at lock for 38.5 points, (high score of 71 with his only 80 minute performance in round 26)
Most predicted teams I have seen have him at prop, where I think he'll average pretty close to his price of around 32 points a game.
To see much value, I think he'd need to see lots of injuries to his teammates.
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Milchcow wrote:
8 games from the bench averaged 23 points. (High score was a 40 when he got 61 minutes in round 23)
9 starts at lock for 38.5 points, (high score of 71 with his only 80 minute performance in round 26)
Most predicted teams I have seen have him at prop, where I think he'll average pretty close to his price of around 32 points a game.
To see much value, I think he'd need to see lots of injuries to his teammates.
Thanks Milch
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Interesting analysis Milch, other factors like needing the depth to cover short term injuries/suspensions, origin byes, and as you already pointed out the cash you potentially gain from it. Though using the loophole could end up making you ten points a week depending on your team.
It just seems like too much of a risk. Even if it takes a part of the uncertainty out of one players scores.
What team has the most matches at the later end of rounds?
It just seems like too much of a risk. Even if it takes a part of the uncertainty out of one players scores.
What team has the most matches at the later end of rounds?
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Licha
Fifita JBrom
Brown SST Arrow
Munster Croker
Leilua Milne
Tedesco Mansour Winterstein
Cartwright, Cook, Kevans, Latu
Garvey, Kikau, Hiku, Nuffie
Thoughts? Especially on: SST and Munster as these are the guys I'm most iffy on in the team atm.
I've never had Smith in any of my fantasy teams (been playing for 10 years). I absolutely love value, have based most of my team around this (Cartwright and Leilua were my first 2 picked)
Fifita JBrom
Brown SST Arrow
Munster Croker
Leilua Milne
Tedesco Mansour Winterstein
Cartwright, Cook, Kevans, Latu
Garvey, Kikau, Hiku, Nuffie
Thoughts? Especially on: SST and Munster as these are the guys I'm most iffy on in the team atm.
I've never had Smith in any of my fantasy teams (been playing for 10 years). I absolutely love value, have based most of my team around this (Cartwright and Leilua were my first 2 picked)
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Never had Smith in your Fantasy team? Wowsers!Dttragic2016 wrote:Licha
Fifita JBrom
Brown SST Arrow
Munster Croker
Leilua Milne
Tedesco Mansour Winterstein
Cartwright, Cook, Kevans, Latu
Garvey, Kikau, Hiku, Nuffie
Thoughts? Especially on: SST and Munster as these are the guys I'm most iffy on in the team atm.
I've never had Smith in any of my fantasy teams (been playing for 10 years). I absolutely love value, have based most of my team around this (Cartwright and Leilua were my first 2 picked)
Just out of curiosity what has your final ranking been like the past few years? Have you ever finished in the top 100 without having Cam Smith in your squad for the entire year?
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Morning gentleman and/or ladies.
This is my first attempt for the year.
Im the first to admit my homework is down on previous seasons, due to starting a new job and working heaps of OT.
Anyway, analyse and ridicule please.
Smith
J.Bromwich | Scott
Murray | Elliot | Arrow
Croft | Croker
Leilua | Milne
Tedesco | Inglis | Ponga
Lichaa
Cook
Faital-Mariner
Garvey
B. Cartwright
Hiku
Kennar
Kikau
7k Remaining
Not really happy with 2RF, so willing to take some advice.
Also, not having a top line HLF is a concern as well, as I tend to always start with one.
Not sure about running 3 bench HOK, so advice and thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Justin
This is my first attempt for the year.
Im the first to admit my homework is down on previous seasons, due to starting a new job and working heaps of OT.
Anyway, analyse and ridicule please.
Smith
J.Bromwich | Scott
Murray | Elliot | Arrow
Croft | Croker
Leilua | Milne
Tedesco | Inglis | Ponga
Lichaa
Cook
Faital-Mariner
Garvey
B. Cartwright
Hiku
Kennar
Kikau
7k Remaining
Not really happy with 2RF, so willing to take some advice.
Also, not having a top line HLF is a concern as well, as I tend to always start with one.
Not sure about running 3 bench HOK, so advice and thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Justin