2018 NRL.com Fantasy Thread Part 53

danseels1985 wrote:Murray to Fainu
Lane to SJ
Sua to Brown

Too drastic?

I don't tell you often enough how much I love your avatar.

I love your avatar lots.

Sua - Brown seems sideways, especially if Brown isn't playing 80 mins

wolfking wrote:

What's your thoughts on RFM mate?  I traded him 2 weeks ago but after last weekend could be a cut price keepr I could get back for 17?

EDIT:  And as I said above mate, I could hold Martin do the other 3 trades but get McInnes instead of SJ now?  Don't know how I would get him later though.

He's a little bit undervalued, plays 17, has the capability of posting 60s, average ~46 (excluding his injury game). And can d that crab run where he goes no-where but racks up 15 points.

I traded him out too, ages ago, when I saw how rubbish the dogs were. But in his price range I don't see many options that play 17 and should score >40. He is serviceable in the 17 for the run home but better case he makes a bit of $ and is a stepping stone to gun if you have the trades.

Milchcow wrote:

How quickly will they make the cash?

Doueihi will play 0-10 minutes a game unless someone gets injured.

Martin will play 80 minutes in NSW Cup unless he can force his way back into the first grade side.

If you can upgrade them to a final 17 gun, why wouldn't you.

I just dont think there's that many round 17 guns that I'm confident wont miss a game before then or be at risk of an origin call up.

Current squad

Cook
Fifita, Taupau
Surgess, Murray, Lolo
DCE, Cogger
Inglis, Mitchell
CThompson, Tedesco, Ponga

Smith, Arrow, Brimson, Olive

Matterson, Kikau, Gosieski, Martin

I want to hold Matterson, Kikau and Martin. I know that's a lot of cash to hold.

Possible trades.

Matterson --> SJ (need another half, preferably a gun who plays rd 17)
Kikau ---> Tohu
CThompson ---> Aitken/TTurbo/RTS
Gosieski ---> Fainu

Last two are the ones I am looking at doing and leaving the others one more round.
Only gives me 18 playing this round though and that includes Cogger, Olive and Brimson.

Thoughts? Someone see something I don't?

My current rd 17 team is tiny.

I just realised, I'm a genius (occasionally). A few weeks ago I said this about Martin, "I'm trying to put a stop to that Milchy. I didn't pick him originally because he didn't suit my bye planning that I unsuccessfully attempted. I want him in my side before he plays again so I'm trying to fit him in, then when I do I'll put a halt to his good scores."

I did end up bringing him in and he hasn't played since hence putting a stop to his scores, so blame me boys. Do you think I should trade him out this week as I have only 1 trade planned

Is this too drastic!! Means I keep a broken down Kikau and a MIA Martin all for Rd17.

Walker > Fainu (Fonua moves into WFB)
Surgess > Harris
Watson > SJ
Murray > McInnes

Too much tinkering for the sake of two Rd17 players, who may not even be available??

bluetige wrote:I just realised, I'm a genius (occasionally). A few weeks ago I said this about Martin, "I'm trying to put a stop to that Milchy. I didn't pick him originally because he didn't suit my bye planning that I unsuccessfully attempted. I want him in my side before he plays again so I'm trying to fit him in, then when I do I'll put a halt to his good scores."

I did end up bringing him in and he hasn't played since hence putting a stop to his scores, so blame me boys. Do you think I should trade him out this week as I have only 1 trade planned

A few on renegades seem to think Martin isn't in the Bulldogs top 30 squad, and thus can't play for cap reasons now that Tolman is back.

This sort of thing should be easy to check, but if anyone can tell me who is in the Bulldogs top 30 squad I would love to see it.
The bulldogs website lists Rhyse Martin as one of 31 players in their NRL squad, which is not helpful at all.
I have found reference on the Kennell to Lachlan Lewis not being allowed to play first grade because he isn't in the top 30 squad, but nothing concrete on Martin.


How come the NRL can't publish such basic information

Milchcow wrote:How come the NRL can't publish such basic information

Dumb, isn't it?

Regardless, looking at their list, I just cannot see how Martin could possibly be outside of the top 30.

I think the obvious answer is just that Tolman back pushes Jackson back to right edge and Martin forced out.

For reference, he signed to the Dogs in 2016 on a two year deal (2017-2018).

Milchcow wrote:A few on renegades seem to think Martin isn't in the Bulldogs top 30 squad, and thus can't play for cap reasons now that Tolman is back.

This sort of thing should be easy to check, but if anyone can tell me who is in the Bulldogs top 30 squad I would love to see it.
The bulldogs website lists Rhyse Martin as one of 31 players in their NRL squad, which is not helpful at all.
I have found reference on the Kennell to Lachlan Lewis not being allowed to play first grade because he isn't in the top 30 squad, but nothing concrete on Martin.


How come the NRL can't publish such basic information

I'm not sure what is significant about the top 30 squad? Are you saying he isn't one of the bulldogs 30 best players?

Or is there some rules about naming your top 30 squad or something?

lukeaye wrote:

I'm not sure what is significant about the top 30 squad? Are you saying he isn't one of the bulldogs 30 best players?

Or is there some rules about naming your top 30 squad or something?

It's the whole top tier/lower tier contracts and who can/can't play first grade thing. I don't know the ins and outs but I know teams have been caught out before with regards to players being pulled from first grade because of their contract - if they add up all the lower tier players, the fact he plays first grade would breach the lower tier salary cap

Edit: Pretty sure it happened to the Titans once

[quote="Milchcow"]A few on renegades seem to think Martin isn't in the Bulldogs top 30 squad, and thus can't play for cap reasons now that Tolman is back.

This sort of thing should be easy to check, but if anyone can tell me who is in the Bulldogs top 30 squad I would love to see it.
The bulldogs website lists Rhyse Martin as one of 31 players in their NRL squad, which is not helpful at all.
I have found reference on the Kennell to Lachlan Lewis not being allowed to play first grade because he isn't in the top 30 squad, but nothing concrete on Martin.


How come the NRL can't publish such basic information[/quote]

Can I add,

How come the NRL persist with Fanhub?
How come the NRL don't fix their time keeping issues?
How come the NRL don't....... ahh stuff it, I'm too busy to keep writing for the next hour

lukeaye wrote:

I'm not sure what is significant about the top 30 squad? Are you saying he isn't one of the bulldogs 30 best players?

Or is there some rules about naming your top 30 squad or something?

Clubs had to name a top 29 squad at the start of the season, extending to a top 30 by the end of June.

They are not allowed to use anyone outside of that squad without getting exemption from the NRL.

They have been strict about granting exemptions - eg if they have uninjured players capable of playing fullback in their top squad, they are forced to play those before bringing in a fullback from outside the top squad (form/suitability to that position are irrelevant) 
Although the rules have changed recently, it is this sort of ruling that has prevented Dylan Edwards and Luke Brooks from making their first grade debuts in the past.

The bulldogs official page lists a 31 man first grade squad, I can't see anywhere that publishes who is actually in the 30 man squad, so I'm not sure if Martin is in it or not.

lukeaye wrote:

I'm not sure what is significant about the top 30 squad? Are you saying he isn't one of the bulldogs 30 best players?

Or is there some rules about naming your top 30 squad or something?

you aren't allowed to use players outside of the top tier unless/until all players in that top tier are exhausted (eg a lot of injuries).

It's so you can't sign some kid like Sua or Haas to a development contract and then throw him into first grade ahead of other (now) duds you have on top contracts. It would be a way of circumventing the "salary cap".

(FYI, SUA/Haas are on top tier contracts, just using them as an example because they're young).

StuDogg101 wrote:

It's the whole top tier/lower tier contracts and who can/can't play first grade thing. I don't know the ins and outs but I know teams have been caught out before with regards to players being pulled from first grade because of their contract - if they add up all the lower tier players, the fact he plays first grade would breach the lower tier salary cap

Edit: Pretty sure it happened to the Titans once

They used to have a top 25 first  grade squad, and a 2nd tier salary cap for players outside that squad.

Not they have a top 30 squad, and no 2nd tier salary cap.


Its all a bit crap and the main result is that struggling clubs often can't promote youngsters to try and turn things around because they didn't name them in the first grade squad.

The idea of the 2nd tier cap was that they didn't want clubs signing good players to reserve grade as a way of cheating he cap, but I think there are better ways to solve that problem than making clubs decide in pre-season who they might want to have in their team come round 16

With regard to Martin being excluded from their top 30 squad, I have no idea whether he is in it or not but I would assume he is in, because the NRL don't grant players from outside the top 30 just willy-nilly as the Bulldogs would have had a relevant replacement available at that time as they had only used 21 players to date and didn't have a long injury list to warrant an exemption.

Milchcow wrote:

They used to have a top 25 first  grade squad, and a 2nd tier salary cap for players outside that squad.

Not they have a top 30 squad, and no 2nd tier salary cap.


Its all a bit crap and the main result is that struggling clubs often can't promote youngsters to try and turn things around because they didn't name them in the first grade squad.

The idea of the 2nd tier cap was that they didn't want clubs signing good players to reserve grade as a way of cheating he cap, but I think there are better ways to solve that problem than making clubs decide in pre-season who they might want to have in their team come round 16

Ah I see! Thanks for the explanation. Sucks for the up and comers for sure

FYI Martin was playing ahead of Eastwood a few weeks ago, so Martin is obviously in the top 30.

my tv broke wrote:

Yeah - I saw a screenshot of the chat where he apparently said it, but others questioned whether it was real..

I've seen it all this week re Martin. Dropped for form. People saying he played crap in nsw cup. Stats say he scored two tries, but someone on dogs forum reckon it was only one and hte stats have stuffed up. I've seen someone say he has signed elsewhere and thats why he was dropped. Its probably ALL made up.. there was even a twitter suggestion that he isn't allowed to play FG at the moment because he's on a lower tier contract.

I wonder if Martin has a performance based contract, which if he plays too many 1st grade games will exacerbate the bulldogs salary cap woes. They might be saving him for post June 30 if they're going to lose a couple of players.