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    2016 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 4

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    Post by Shanbon Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:27 pm

    SoylentGreen wrote:

    In order of preference, how would you rank fergo and Slater along with those 2?

    Sorry for late reply. I have Fergo, just swapped Gordon for Mansour, and not sure on Slater. Slater doesnt have the consistency for my liking but can go bigger then Gordon
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    Post by Krump Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:33 pm

    GoingNuts wrote:Great article in the courier mail about the broncos Beep test. Says Milford enjoyed his Christmas to much and is on the heavier side.  Bowed out very early (but also affected by heat). Boyd and Murphy the best performers in his group. States he was heavy last year but lost all the weight over the opening rounds. So might be worth waiting a few weeks if you were planning on bringing him in.  

    Big Sammy did well on 18.5.   Macca on 22
    Is this some sort of beep test I've never heard of? Those results are ridiculously high.
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    Post by Milchcow Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:37 pm

    Random wrote:

    Who takes the 2nd wing spot for Storm? Y. Tonumaipea?

    Tigers backline?

    Storm would be Onomatopoeia, Hawkins or Blair

    Tigers back line is Teddy, Nifo, Simona, Naiqama + ??

    ?? = Rankin/Hunt/Addo-Carr
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    Post by Shanbon Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:41 pm

    Krump wrote:
    Shanbon sent me some links a few months ago and it was great reading but I'm not at all convinced it can really be used over 26 rds. With the growth of cash games I'll definitely be using it for them though, I also do horse racing comps on topbetta which are similar to the daily games and its been a help there.

    I still think there is some application at the start of the season but as the season wheres on it becomes more and more important. We all do it without much thought in the last 6 weeks or so as we realise we cant win but want to finish as high as possible so look at the teas around and trade in players they dont have. We are happy to take risks then and so we should also take them at the start to give ourselves the best chance of winning straight away.

    Im just glad we can discuss some higher concept stuff around here, even if it doesnt get applied. Hopefully we can keep the daily fantasy stuff to this forum, i dont want the other sites getting to much benefit i plan on taking their money haha
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:42 pm

    Krump wrote:
    Is this some sort of beep test I've never heard of? Those results are ridiculously high.
    Macca would be the fittest player in the Broncos squad you would think.
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    Post by Krump Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:50 pm

    Bren wrote:
    Macca would be the fittest player in the Broncos squad you would think.
    If I had to pick two players it would be them but those scores just seem crazy high for the standard beeptest. A quick google showed the highest result in the Knights team was 14/11
    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/01/04/knights_improve_beep.html
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    Post by SoylentGreen Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:50 pm

    This is pretty good.
    http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/josh-dugan-named-captain-of-nrl-white-trash-all-stars-team-list-announced/
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:55 pm

    Krump wrote:
    If I had to pick two players it would be them but those scores just seem crazy high for the standard beeptest. A quick google showed the highest result in the Knights team was 14/11
    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/01/04/knights_improve_beep.html
    Didnt even reach 15? What? Even I have reached 15 in the beep test, mind you Im coming back from a knee injury so dont ask me to run one any time soon.
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    Post by Shanbon Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:55 pm

    This is from the link posted earlier if anyone is interested in our game theory discussion

    The key to grasping the effect of player usage on your win probability is understanding that the goal in daily fantasy sports is not always to score as many points as possible. Let me repeat that: the goal is not to score as many points as possible.

    That might seem ridiculous because you need a lot of points to win, but your real aim should be doing whatever is necessary to improve your chances of winning a league as much as possible. Sometimes that might mean trying to score as many points as you can (like in head-to-head leagues, for example), but that’s not necessarily the case in big tournaments with a lot of users.
    Although there are major inefficiencies in daily fantasy sports that poker players can exploit for profit, the market is efficient enough that we generally see high usage on valuable players, i.e. the players who are underpriced are in the most lineups.

    If your sole focus is to maximize projected points, you should choose the players (or the player combinations) who offer the most value. Over the long run, that will maximize your point totals.

    But guess what? Everyone else is doing that same thing. And the more lineups a player is in, the less usable value he offers.

    http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/11/game-theory-can-make-you-money-in-fantasy-football-too-19910.htm


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    Post by Krump Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:56 pm

    SoylentGreen wrote:This is pretty good.
    http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/josh-dugan-named-captain-of-nrl-white-trash-all-stars-team-list-announced/
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    Post by Cake Tiger Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:58 pm

    OK, so I've been playing around with an experimental team for "a relative". It's not going to win anything but, now it's picked, I'll be interested to see how it goes. Who can spot the special feature of this team?

    HOK: Luke, K Nikorima
    FRF: J Bromwich, Matulino, Asofa-Solomona, Molo
    2RF: Mannering, Taupau, E Taylor, Bhana, Aloiai, Liolevave
    HLF: Johnson, J Nikorima, Dockar-Clay, Martin
    CTR: Lolohea, Kenny-Dowall, Henry, Peni
    WFB: Tuivasa-Sheck, Vatuvei, Hiku, Wells, Manuleleua
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:06 pm

    Is it Liolevave? I actually have him as an NPR at the moment.

    Edit: oh right you mean because they are all NZ players haha
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    Post by Beast From The Big East Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:11 pm

    Krump wrote:
    If I had to pick two players it would be them but those scores just seem crazy high for the standard beeptest. A quick google showed the highest result in the Knights team was 14/11
    http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/01/04/knights_improve_beep.html

    It could have been the yoyo test the Broncos do. Not too sure on the specifics but I know that a lot of sports teams use and prefer the yoyo as an alternative to the traditional beep test. I think the levels are shorter or something so that you get a quicker increase in speed and I think they also start off at an equivalent of 5 in the usual beep test so you don't have to deal with that bullshit half jogging at the start
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    Post by RandomSil Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:18 pm

    Cake Tiger wrote:OK, so I've been playing around with an experimental team for "a relative". It's not going to win anything but, now it's picked, I'll be interested to see how it goes. Who can spot the special feature of this team?

    HOK: Luke, K Nikorima
    FRF: J Bromwich, Matulino, Asofa-Solomona, Molo
    2RF: Mannering, Taupau, E Taylor, Bhana, Aloiai, Liolevave
    HLF: Johnson, J Nikorima, Dockar-Clay, Martin
    CTR: Lolohea, Kenny-Dowall, Henry, Peni
    WFB: Tuivasa-Sheck, Vatuvei, Hiku, Wells, Manuleleua

    You think Dockar-Clay will grab the bench spot?
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    Post by Cake Tiger Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:20 pm

    Bren wrote:Is it Liolevave? I actually have him as an NPR at the moment.

    Edit: oh right you mean because they are all NZ players haha

    That's the one - I think they are all players who have played for NZ at senior or U20 level. There might be a couple that haven't but they would be NZ qualified if picked.

    A combined England/NZ team might be interesting.
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    Post by Mearcats Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:25 pm

    Have been reading through the last few pages of discussion regarding hookers and game theory. Pretty good chats.

    I gamble a fair bit and also dabble in day trading and investment profiling so the few theory links that were thrown up were interesting reads. I am not sure that it would be greatly applicable to a full fantasy season though for reasons already mentioned by Milchy and a few others.

    Even on initial team selection, to adopt the theory of picking a player based on how many people have him in their side (or what we refer to as POD's), is a huge risk. The first three rounds have a massive influence on your season. Of course the bye period is probably the most crucial time of the year and yes, we can argue that it's easy to make up places however, if you are not at the pointy end to begin with then you will always be playing catch up and potentially burning trades to do so.

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    Post by CubanMafiaSandSlugs Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:28 pm

    I think there is going to be alot of surprises this season, as regards the new interchange. Props playing the full 80 across all the forward positions etc
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    Post by RandomSil Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:32 pm

    Cuban care to enlighten us as to what players will jump up to 80 minutes?

    (Please say ah Mau.)
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:35 pm

    The only prop that I can see playing 80 mins is Bromwich.
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    Post by Mearcats Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:35 pm

    Interested to see who people are counting as an automatic lock in their sides to begin the year with in each position.

    For me they are Smith, JBrom, Parker, SJ, unsure about the CTR's and WFB.

    I'm really bandying the idea around of having a completely rubbish CTR/WFB line up so that I can have a monster of a second row to begin the year with but then I am very hesitant not to have a Teddy/RTS/Semi etc in my side.

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